EVE New Citizens Q&A

I just had a crap head with a yellow warning salvage all my killed ships in one of my level 2 missions.

I'm still in a vexor and I think the a-hole had a battlecruiser.


What are the rules for blasting some one in high sec?

If they are yellow or red does Concord help?

Anything else I need to know?

Also note that some people who are suspect/outlaw who sit around gates/stations may WANT to be attacked.

Choose what you shoot wisely

If the target is flashy then they are a legitimate target to engage and CONCORD will not intervene. Depending on how your overview is set up this is what you should know:

Yellow flashy = suspect. The pilot has committed a suspect act such as stealing loot from a wreck or container they don't own, shot or destroyed a Mobile Tractor Unit. or had a killright activated against them, etc. The timer lasts 15 minutes and anyone is free to engage them legally. They are not legally allowed to engage just anyone without consequences.

Orange flashy = permaflashy or limited engagement. A permaflashy is a pilot who's security status is below -5.0 and is always legal to attack by anyone. Limited engagement is a pilot who legally can attack you without consequence, so you would have to engage them first for this to happen. I think the default setting for these is a greenish color rather than orange.

Red flashy = permaflashy, war target, or criminal. If you're in a corporation at war your enemies (war targets) will flash red, along with those pilots who committed a criminal act (15 minute timer) and if they are in highsec CONCORD will kill them, and pilots with -10.0 sec status. War targets can attack you without consequence.

Further to the flashy color you need to observe the colortag to determine "why" they are flashy.

Many pilots will deliberately go suspect flashy in order to bait you into attacking them, and they do this by stealing from containers and wrecks, or shooting an MTU, etc. Unless you are deliberately prepared to combat someone you're best off ignoring suspects.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Crimewatch

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Crimewatch

Flowchart: http://i.imgur.com/aQzqI6N.jpg

I am sorry but I have to correct you here. Flotsam, lagan and even jetsam remain property of the owner of the ship that has lost or dropped it into the sea. Only derelict is free game. You can read about the matter or you do the sensible thing and watch QI. Icelanders may have a different approach to property though.

I do mission invasion from time to time but wouldn't bother aggroing a Vexor, mainly because I just have no idea of the ship's capabilities (it is so versatile) and it is unlikely to have an expensive fit.

Usually I will try to get aggro when I have a significant advantage - e.g. I'm in an Ishkur (a fast, highly mobile ship) and the opponent is in a battleship (with big, inaccurate guns).

You can set traps for mission invaders if you fly a ship that looks purely PVE but is actually fit for PVP. The Ishtar can do this, as can every Marauder, the Vexor, Vexor Navy Issue, other droneboats and a few other ships.

Careful though, if your NPC-Corpmate shoots rats their wrecks will appear white to you (same Corp and all), but looting them will still make you suspect to everyone as if it were a wreck from a third party (unless that changed).

Generally, if you are unsure about possible criminal or suspect actions and their consequences, keep your Safety Button to green and you should be fine.

I do know that international waters are governed by UN conventions most of them follow rulings of the international nautical curt in Hamburg. Those conventions are codified in the "Rotterdam Rules" and turned into legislation by some of the signature states. Most local legislators (including the UK) did not sign them into law yet. They mostly follow the Hamburg Rules, predecessor to the Rotterdam Rules. Iceland ignores both of them to this day. So if your frigate gets rammed by the Icelandic "Coast Guard" (likely a translation mishap that meant to read: "Utter Pirates") you now know why.

However, what is legal and what is not in empire space is codified in the Yulai Convention. I am still waiting for my copy and am quite sure it was actually the Icelandic "Coast Guard" who rammed that station.

I hope to have demonstrated conclusively that RL comparison does not work well in internet spaceship games and the I am a better smartass then you are.

Some thoughts idea and information


The debate above on the real world issues with salvage is not relevant to EvE. In EvE it is legal to salvage every wreck in every situation and anyone that shoots you for doing it will get a visit from Concord, unless you are in low or nul where you can shoot anyone at any time without Concord.

Tau I want to thank you for the link as well, I have never seen that one and it is better laid out than what I have linked in the past.


One of the best pieces of advice anyone could give.
But remember blue wrecks are open to EVERYONE in the game so if your uninvited guest warps off simply loot and salvage what they do not take.


Not sure if or when in years past this may have changed, I have been in the game for 5 years and for all that time it has always been legal to both loot and salvage any wreck that is white. You wil get white wrecks from anyone in your corp and anyone that is in your fleet no matter what corp they are in.

Last thoughts.
I have always blued all my wrecks as I run through a mission, in fact I blue them as I kill them. To this point the only un-invited guests I have had in mission pockets that stayed around were those who were really there for the loot / salvage to start with. When a PvP player flies into a mission and finds blue wrecks they will usually leave as there is no way for them to provoke you to shoot first. If someone does fly in and loots/salvages your blue wrecks then just consider it a cost of running missions and move on.

All you need to know is that a 'GREEN' (or YELLOW) safety switch setting prevents you from doing anything that will have CONCORD land on your head. (i.e. thats why its called a safety setting...)

So, if you have your safety on GREEN and try and shoot someone who isn't suspect or criminal flagged, your guns simply won't fire.

Magic right?