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End of the Awoxer? Is eve getting too soft?
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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#561 - 2015-02-23 10:33:19 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Yeah, CCP fixed the decshield loophole.

I wonder why they even bothered, since they decided dissolving one's corp to avoid a dec isn't an exploit anymore.
For a corp to be able to dissolve now, they have to be a tiny corp that can afford to disband a recreate, so no running corp jobs, likely no objects in space, etc.

The old dec shedding mechanic in contrast would allow a corp of any size to shed their wars without any problems.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#562 - 2015-02-23 10:42:48 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
It's laughable how you define "bringing up a history of" as whining.
When they are bringing up in the context they do, it's as much whining as all the carebears that you guys troll.

Destiny Corrupted wrote:
By now, everyone here already knows that your stance is that anything said against developer-sponsored change is "whining," but it would be nice if you at the very least acknowledged the incessant begging by the carebear lobby in order to restrict high-sec pvp as whining as well. I'm not even going to try to convince you that merely talking about the factual history of anti-risk nerfs in the game isn't whining, because you're too entrenched in your beliefs. We're the evil boogeymen, and everything we do and say is bad.
Well then obviously you don't read my posts of have trouble comprehending, because there's plenty of times when I'm at odds with CCPs ideas, this just isn't one of them.

I recognise that carebears do also whine, I just don't think they whine any more than the opposing side. No side is better than the other, yet in forums such as this one, it's generally put forward that being anti-carebear automatically makes you and your ideas superior.

And mate, Feyd isn't just talking about facts, he's purposely ignoring changes in the opposite direction to support his theory that CCP is going to create a second shard called Trammel. He's whining about changes such as this one acting like they're a sign of the ganker playstyle coming to an end. Many others have done exactly the same in threads on this subject over the last few weeks.

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#563 - 2015-02-23 10:53:58 UTC
No, it really isn't, because arguing against proposed changes isn't the same as begging for those changes to be implemented at the expense of other players.

I don't know if you're being daft here on purpose, but there's a clear difference between "we've had a lot of CONCORD buffs in the past, and we don't need another one" and "omg CCP make CONCORD respond slower, ganking is too hard!"

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#564 - 2015-02-23 11:50:29 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
No, it really isn't, because arguing against proposed changes isn't the same as begging for those changes to be implemented at the expense of other players.

I don't know if you're being daft here on purpose, but there's a clear difference between "we've had a lot of CONCORD buffs in the past, and we don't need another one" and "omg CCP make CONCORD respond slower, ganking is too hard!"
There's a difference in what's being said, sure, but in both cases it evolves from a simple statement or suggestion into whining within a few posts. This thread I believe turned into whining within page 1.

By the way, I note that the way you phrased both of those statements was particularly biased. The ganker statement is written in a neutral tone, while the carebear one is written to sound like a whine from the start. Clearly that's designed to steer the reader to support the former. I've seen plenty of well written suggestions from carebears to improve safety, and I've seen plenty of people sounding like a whine from the getgo on the ganker side. Neither side is any better than the other.

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#565 - 2015-02-23 11:52:01 UTC
Both of those statements were "ganker" statements.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Chocolate Mooses
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#566 - 2015-02-23 13:34:48 UTC
This thread is now about Lucas posting every 60 seconds and arguing with anyone who replies.

ENGAGE.

MAKE IT SO.
Chocolate Mooses
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#567 - 2015-02-23 13:37:31 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Unfortunately you are seriously confused about economics. Briefly:

(random things)

4. Most of the losses in highsec are PvE players getting blown up by rats, or RvB fights, etc...the wardeccers, gankers, awoxxers, etc... have a truly minimal impact. Also, don't forget substitution effects....PvPers would not quit the game - they would go to nullsec and fight there.

To wit, your economic analysis is shoddy....you can do better.


[CITATIONS NEEDED]

IVY LEAGUE SPACE LAWYER MODE, ENGAGE
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#568 - 2015-02-23 13:43:53 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Both of those statements were "ganker" statements.
Apologies, my misunderstanding there.

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#569 - 2015-02-23 14:27:52 UTC
I love this change. It takes away any effort usually involved with keeping a tax monkey corp running. So far I have 16 noobs farming for me while I collect 5% for absolutely nothing. When I fatten up enough decent targets I can make up a believable reason to flip the switch and go to town.

Since I made one goober the "boss" while I'm "away" he is even recruiting more for me since he doesn't have to worry about learning any of those super complicated security features. Effortless passive isk.

Good job CCP!
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#570 - 2015-02-24 05:59:20 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
I love this change. It takes away any effort usually involved with keeping a tax monkey corp running. So far I have 16 noobs farming for me while I collect 5% for absolutely nothing. When I fatten up enough decent targets I can make up a believable reason to flip the switch and go to town.

Since I made one goober the "boss" while I'm "away" he is even recruiting more for me since he doesn't have to worry about learning any of those super complicated security features. Effortless passive isk.

Good job CCP!


Nice - it's good to see how nearly everyone in the game supports the awoxxing changes.
Odeva Pawen
Fliet Pizza Delivery
Of Essence
#571 - 2015-02-24 06:12:54 UTC
I believe this is relevent.

Overheat Keyboards! Load Rage posts! Prepare for a long, seething, back and forth about irrelevant things!
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#572 - 2015-02-24 13:11:04 UTC
roflmao

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#573 - 2015-02-24 15:53:22 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Nice - it's good to see how nearly everyone in the game supports the awoxxing changes.

That's cool. So would you consider the issue fixed and put to rest even if more players start dying to awoxing now?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#574 - 2015-02-24 21:08:59 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Nice - it's good to see how nearly everyone in the game supports the awoxxing changes.


If we're going to limit the sample to you and your alts, yes, I would imagine most of them support the changes.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#575 - 2015-02-24 23:50:32 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
I love this change. It takes away any effort usually involved with keeping a tax monkey corp running. So far I have 16 noobs farming for me while I collect 5% for absolutely nothing. When I fatten up enough decent targets I can make up a believable reason to flip the switch and go to town.

Since I made one goober the "boss" while I'm "away" he is even recruiting more for me since he doesn't have to worry about learning any of those super complicated security features. Effortless passive isk.

Good job CCP!


Nice - it's good to see how nearly everyone in the game supports the awoxxing changes.



It's good to see EvE is overflowing with goobers willing to be tax monkeys who still don't understand the mechanics and what "flip the switch" means.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#576 - 2015-02-25 03:47:06 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Nice - it's good to see how nearly everyone in the game supports the awoxxing changes.


If we're going to limit the sample to you and your alts, yes, I would imagine most of them support the changes.


And pray tell who are these alts of mine?
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#577 - 2015-02-25 03:47:52 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Nice - it's good to see how nearly everyone in the game supports the awoxxing changes.

That's cool. So would you consider the issue fixed and put to rest even if more players start dying to awoxing now?


Yes....the solution to that would be education - the game mechanics are now fine.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#578 - 2015-02-25 04:49:12 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Nice - it's good to see how nearly everyone in the game supports the awoxxing changes.

That's cool. So would you consider the issue fixed and put to rest even if more players start dying to awoxing now?


Yes....the solution to that would be education - the game mechanics are now fine.

Okay. Quoted for later just in case.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#579 - 2015-02-25 04:51:20 UTC
I mean, we've all heard the arguments with regard to barge and hauler stats a few years ago, and how arguments were made that once they have six-figure EHPs, everything would be fine and dandy. And yet, there's more anti-gank whining today than at any point in the past. So I'm just making sure this time.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#580 - 2015-02-25 05:04:07 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I mean, we've all heard the arguments with regard to barge and hauler stats a few years ago, and how arguments were made that once they have six-figure EHPs, everything would be fine and dandy. And yet, there's more anti-gank whining today than at any point in the past. So I'm just making sure this time.


That's a different issue. Adding ehp is of little use when the gankers can just commit more bodies to get the job done. The problem there is lack of consequences for engaging in criminal activity, and making it marginally harder to pull off is no great remedy. Here the problem is an absurd mechanic that exposes you to concord free pvp just by dint of joining a player corp, and the solution was quite rightly to disable that, and make it so that even minimally educated consumers can safely join a corp.