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Neutrality and The Elsysion

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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2015-02-24 23:48:06 UTC
Halcyon Ember wrote:
Luna Hanaya wrote:

With amount of blasphemers and other people, who insult other's beliefs, can you tell us, will we be protected against blasphemers there?


What would constitute protecting you from blasphemers?

Not allowing people to insult Faith, and if they do, point to the door...

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Eli Sariah
Doomheim
#42 - 2015-02-24 23:55:55 UTC
Jennifer Starfall wrote:
Eli Sariah wrote:
Would this "Elsysion" welcome anyone? Even an Amarrian Capsuleer? I ask as this location, as Miss Kim has stated, is in a Federation Naval installation.. I do not fear attack.. But i do not wish to spark anything with my presence..


Mr. Sariah,

As Dr. Sarain mentioned, all are welcome in Elysion as long as they respect the neutrality and peaceful nature of the venue.

I understand that we all have our personal quirks, and if it would make you more comfortable to have a formal invitation, I would be honored to extend that invitation to you. Please visit us at your convenience. I am not sure if you imbibe, but our wine selection is quite diverse and well-stocked. If you are not, then we do have a fine selection of teas.

If you are in need of coordinates, please do not hesitate to contact a member of Repracor. Or simply ask in The Good Word or The Summit comm channels; the chances are there will be someone who can provide them.

We look forward to seeing you.


Thank you very much Ms. Starfall for the invitation, and for respecting how i do thing, i hope to see you there, i shall request coordinates when i next speak to my friend, as i am sure he will have them, thank you and i hope you are well,

"Blessed are those who have no time for doubt"

Humble Regards, Eli Sariah

"A manu dei e tet rimon" - I am the devoted hand of the divine God.

Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2015-02-24 23:57:10 UTC
Eli Sariah wrote:
Quote:
With amount of blasphemers and other people, who insult other's beliefs, can you tell us, will we be protected against blasphemers there?


Very well pointed Lady Hanaya, but, and i mean no respect, but this is how i approach this situation when i find myself in it. This venue is located in Gallente space, with Gallente citizens, whom, with all respect, are very proud of there way of life, while they welcome outsiders for the most part, they do not welcome people who are.. Close minded, now, this is fortunate as it gives us the opportunity to show them that not all Amarrians are the same, we are not like those they have heard of from the wars, if we can show them we are cool, calculate and do not show disrespect to their ways, then they will not be blasphemous, and they will extend the same respect to us, as we will have earn't it so to say, as, we are effectively in there home, under peaceful terms, if the situation was reversed then I'm sure it would be much the same for us, we must show we are the true light of the His will, and that we are a shining beacon of understanding, resolution, and strength. But we must make that first step.

I mean no disrespect either Lady Hanaya, i agree with you perfectly, but the only protection we have is ourselves, use it as a test of how strong your faith can be, and show them you will no be cowed by their "insults" of which i highly doubt there will be within a peaceful environment, i have been informed they are welcoming to our people, but none the less, be strong, show you can respect them, then, they will respect you.

"By His holy light and strength i walk onwards with no pain or despair"

Humble regards, Eli Sariah

I am sorry, but I am not a Lady, I am just a humble slave of the God. I am not of nobility, and it is a bit embarassing to me.

I don't mind the heathens, and I can respect them. I am afraid of blasphemers, who will disparage the Faith. And I will prefer to see them all burning on the stake. But I can't do myself anything against them... I am not sure I could even preach at them, because I am not as educated as a priestess.

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#44 - 2015-02-25 00:03:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Eli Sariah
Luna Hanaya wrote:
Eli Sariah wrote:
Quote:
With amount of blasphemers and other people, who insult other's beliefs, can you tell us, will we be protected against blasphemers there?


Very well pointed Lady Hanaya, but, and i mean no respect, but this is how i approach this situation when i find myself in it. This venue is located in Gallente space, with Gallente citizens, whom, with all respect, are very proud of there way of life, while they welcome outsiders for the most part, they do not welcome people who are.. Close minded, now, this is fortunate as it gives us the opportunity to show them that not all Amarrians are the same, we are not like those they have heard of from the wars, if we can show them we are cool, calculate and do not show disrespect to their ways, then they will not be blasphemous, and they will extend the same respect to us, as we will have earn't it so to say, as, we are effectively in there home, under peaceful terms, if the situation was reversed then I'm sure it would be much the same for us, we must show we are the true light of the His will, and that we are a shining beacon of understanding, resolution, and strength. But we must make that first step.

I mean no disrespect either Lady Hanaya, i agree with you perfectly, but the only protection we have is ourselves, use it as a test of how strong your faith can be, and show them you will no be cowed by their "insults" of which i highly doubt there will be within a peaceful environment, i have been informed they are welcoming to our people, but none the less, be strong, show you can respect them, then, they will respect you.

"By His holy light and strength i walk onwards with no pain or despair"

Humble regards, Eli Sariah

I am sorry, but I am not a Lady, I am just a humble slave of the God. I am not of nobility, and it is a bit embarassing to me.

I don't mind the heathens, and I can respect them. I am afraid of blasphemers, who will disparage the Faith. And I will prefer to see them all burning on the stake. But I can't do myself anything against them... I am not sure I could even preach at them, because I am not as educated as a priestess.


Understood, would sister suffice then? I am a strong believer in manors and showing respect that is due, i truly meant no embarrassment or disrespect, please accept my apologies for that.

Then i would ask you to, if there are blasphemers there, show them you will not be effected by there un-truthful words, that what they say means nothing, and one day there just deserts so to say, will come for them, but i ask you to stand like a proud Amarrian in His light, and show that what those blasphemers say means nothing, that nothing will shake your faith, that there is nothing they can to make you faulter, be strong, we are all warriors of our people in our own way, so long as we contribute and spread to the divine Gods plans and teachings, show those blasphemers we are stronger then them!

"A manu dei e tet rimon" - I am the devoted hand of the divine God.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#45 - 2015-02-25 00:25:09 UTC
Halcyon Ember wrote:
Quote:

My point was that to claim neutrality you should first pick a neutral installation. Definitely not a hostile military base.


Wherever I chose to situate myself, there would be those who found flaw in the supposed neutrality of the arrangement. I chose as I have as my own actions have extended me sufficient trust and leeway to conduct my affairs in my own fashion.

As far as formal invitations go, consider this a formal invitation to attend, until of course the next event is hosted.

Quite a lot of installations would have flaws, for example, an employee of a rival megacorporation might protest against bias for other megacorporation. But what I am talking about isn't just a bias of corporation against other. What I am talking about, is real WAR, where people die, where different sides mercilessly kill each other, and that the establishment is on one of such military bases.

No, of course I can dock in this station, as this is the term of service, provided by CONCORD. It stays valid, while I remain in my pod, or, if you wish, withing my assigned quarters.

But can you imagine, what will happen, if I appear in person in corridors of Federal Navy station?... I am not sure I would find a way to your establishment alive even with a squad of marines. Well, maybe with rather large squad. Or maybe with some camouflage and electronic warfare.

Or maybe your establishment have pod gantries?

And I will repeat, what I have started with, just with different words: the Federation is a criminal regime, like Sansha Nation, which brainwashes peoples with all the media they produce, who subjugate others into their culture by military force, who exterminate other cultures, mix bloodlines, advocate hedonism, individualism and indecency...

Taking this into account, and that they actually allowed your establishment in their military installation, I could conclude that something is not completely clean in this story...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#46 - 2015-02-25 00:30:27 UTC
It's your choice to fight in the war, it's your choice to come or to stay away. No one is forcing any of these things upon you. People who approach with peaceful intentions are welcome. If this is beyond you then that is something you need to deal with.

Queen of Chocolate

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#47 - 2015-02-25 01:14:55 UTC
Halcyon Ember wrote:
It's your choice to fight in the war, it's your choice to come or to stay away. No one is forcing any of these things upon you. People who approach with peaceful intentions are welcome. If this is beyond you then that is something you need to deal with.

My choice is my duty as a Caldari, my choice is not to become a traitor or a coward, my choice is to return my debt I owe to our State with my arms and with my life, if it will be necessary.
But the discussion isn't about me, but about the establishment and its neutrality.

The Federal Navy's intentions are not peaceful. They are fighting against us, against our State, our way of life, our civilians and our culture.

Simply put, Ms. Ember, we don't want our daughters to become exotic dancers for gallenteans.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Eli Sariah
Doomheim
#48 - 2015-02-25 01:31:11 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Halcyon Ember wrote:
It's your choice to fight in the war, it's your choice to come or to stay away. No one is forcing any of these things upon you. People who approach with peaceful intentions are welcome. If this is beyond you then that is something you need to deal with.

My choice is my duty as a Caldari, my choice is not to become a traitor or a coward, my choice is to return my debt I owe to our State with my arms and with my life, if it will be necessary.
But the discussion isn't about me, but about the establishment and its neutrality.

The Federal Navy's intentions are not peaceful. They are fighting against us, against our State, our way of life, our civilians and our culture.

Simply put, Ms. Ember, we don't want our daughters to become exotic dancers for gallenteans.


Greetings Ms. Kim,

I understand what you mean, however, this Elsysion is not run by the Federation, it is a Capsuleer venue located on a Federation station, they would not interfere with a Capsuleer, definitely not as many of us as would be there, however, if you wish, i will happily escort you there, and around the venue itself, i am merely a cadet of the Imperial Academy, but i am top of my class in hand to hand combat, and i served as a ground trooper in my youth, i will see you there safely, even though i do believe it to be unnecessary, though it would be a pleasure to work alongside our allies, something i have not had the privilege of doing.

Please consider the offer, i have it on good authority that this is a safe venue, from a friend of whom i can trust, if not, then no harm no foul, but i for one will be going to see if this can be a good step forward.

If you wish i can inform you after i have attended this venue and let you know.

"Strong of mind, Steel of body, His light is my binding"

Humble regards, Eli Sariah

"A manu dei e tet rimon" - I am the devoted hand of the divine God.

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#49 - 2015-02-25 07:12:17 UTC
Honestly the venue is better off without the likes of Kim-baka. She's shown repeatedly that she cannot even be civil to, much less respectful of, anyone she disagrees with. She once showed up unannounced at the home of a mutual friend I was visiting and proceeded to fire weapons at me, completely unprovoked (I was unarmed at the time and posed no threat to her).

If she is allowed to enter The Elysion please have security personnel search her thoroughly as she always carries multiple weapons cleverly concealed all over her body.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2015-02-25 08:22:19 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Honestly the venue is better off without the likes of Kim-baka. She's shown repeatedly that she cannot even be civil to, much less respectful of, anyone she disagrees with. She once showed up unannounced at the home of a mutual friend I was visiting and proceeded to fire weapons at me, completely unprovoked (I was unarmed at the time and posed no threat to her).

If she is allowed to enter The Elysion please have security personnel search her thoroughly as she always carries multiple weapons cleverly concealed all over her body.


Thank Matar she isn't a trained combat engineer then. Imagine the havoc she would be capable of even WITHOUT visible weapons.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Sera Kor-Azor
Amarrian Mission of the Sacred Word
#51 - 2015-02-25 08:24:43 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
And I will repeat, what I have started with, just with different words: the Federation is a criminal regime, like Sansha Nation, which brainwashes peoples with all the media they produce, who subjugate others into their culture by military force, who exterminate other cultures, mix bloodlines, advocate hedonism, individualism and indecency....


1. 'Brainwashes peoples with all the media they produce': This is a crime. What the cluster needs are the scriptures of the one true God, not brainwashing by the media.

2. 'Subjugate others into their culture by military force'...This is more of a misdemeanor than a crime, really.

3. Exterminate other cultures...This is a tragedy certainly, but sometimes a necessity. Sadly, some cultures do not adapt well to assimilation, indoctrination and enslavement. These inferior and useless people must be eradicated for the good of the whole, so as not to infect the body. Also, to increase real estate values.

4. 'Mix bloodlines': This IS a horrible, detestable crime which absolutely must be sought out, stamped out, and punished to the fullest extent possible!

Cleanliness is next to Godliness, and nowhere is this more important than in the doctrine of racial hygiene. You wash your hands before you eat don't you? So then, why would you want to pollute your entire bloodline by sharing your gametes with a sub-human inferior?

5. 'Advocate hedonism': If mixing bloodlines is race pollution, and Gallente media is mind pollution, I would call this 'soul pollution'. Hedonism only leads to downfall for the individual as well as for the whole society. Only the ruling Oligarchs should have the leisure time and resources to lead a life of cultured refinement. Those of a lesser order should have their shoulders pushed to the wheel, to contribute to God's greater glory through hard labor if necessary. Such is their lot. Gallente media only confuses their under-developed minds by giving them unrealistic illusions and expectations. One must play out the cards that God has set out as one's fate. Be faithful and obey your superiors, and you shall ascend up through the Caste system in your next incarnation after death.

6. 'Individualism': An insidious crime, although mostly against nature. Is it any wonder that Gallente society is as fractured and splintered as it is? Those who are enslaved in Amarr do not have the option to choose an identity for themselves. If not for the false Gallente propaganda, they would be happy with their lot. After all, it can be found in our sacred scriptures. These ridiculous and insidious ideas only serve to make those of a lesser station unhappy with their fate, willing to spread insurrection and Anarchy.

7. 'Indecency'. Yes of all sorts. Pornography, immodest clothing, fraternization between the sexes without a chaperone or certificate of racial purity, the list goes on and on.

I do appreciate your invitation and hospitality Ms. Halcyon. I may even come to visit as I assure you, my intentions are peaceful.

However, should she request it, I think that Miss Kim might find more peace and solitude as a temporary and honored guest in an Amarrian Convent. The conditions in the Convent are sadly, a little spartan. The convent itself is located in a remote, rural location. Nuns are given a small cell, a uniform, and are expected to perform manual labor throughout the day. Meals are simple, and no speaking is permitted. Prayers take place in the evening before bedtime.

However, if celibacy, modesty, decency, and strict laws against race mixing are what you seek, take comfort in the safety of a space owned by a trusted and powerful Military ally. The chanting of the Monks or in our case, the Nuns can be quite relaxing. Hopefully, the sight of seeing others enslaved would not be disturbing to you.

The use of violence in Amarr is also restricted only to those of Holder status, those of high rank, Police, Military, and slave overseers.

Oh, and we don't tolerate narcotics either, or alcohol or any other kind of intoxicant for that matter.




"A manu dei e tet rimon" - I am the devoted hand of the divine God.

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#52 - 2015-02-25 08:31:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Erica Dusette
While I don't often frequent such places, I appreciate the effort you've gone to here to highlight your establishment's neutrality along with your zero tolerance of hostility there. Certainly makes a visit for the likes of me even more enticing.

I do look forward very much to visiting in person sometime.

I also want to mention a brief thanks regarding your help with a personal matter, Halcyon. You can expect a reply by comms as soon as I have the chance and am devoid of distractions.

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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2015-02-25 12:05:18 UTC
Eli Sariah wrote:

Then i would ask you to, if there are blasphemers there, show them you will not be effected by there un-truthful words, that what they say means nothing, and one day there just deserts so to say, will come for them, but i ask you to stand like a proud Amarrian in His light, and show that what those blasphemers say means nothing, that nothing will shake your faith, that there is nothing they can to make you faulter, be strong, we are all warriors of our people in our own way, so long as we contribute and spread to the divine Gods plans and teachings, show those blasphemers we are stronger then them!

Oh, thank you, thank you!
I am strong and I won't let any stupid blasphemers to corrupt me with their vile words!

But after what Lady Kor-Azor said, I am afraid to go there!

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Doomheim
#54 - 2015-02-25 12:08:43 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Simply put, Ms. Ember, we don't want our daughters to become exotic dancers for gallenteans.

I am disappointed that you don't want Caldari daughters to have the same opportunities as everyone else.

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Eli Sariah
Doomheim
#55 - 2015-02-25 12:10:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Eli Sariah
Quote:
Oh, thank you, thank you!
I am strong and I won't let any stupid blasphemers to corrupt me with their vile words!

But after what Lady Kor-Azor said, I am afraid to go there!


We are warriors of the His light, sister Hanaya, we are His divine will made manifest, we fear nothing!

Do not thank me for anything, i merely one of His warriors. And i do not doubt you, i have seen what you have said across the channels, you do Him proud, you are a true believer in the faith sister Hanaya.

You are more then welcome to accompany me, i would be happy to escort you there,

Humble regards, Eli Sariah

"A manu dei e tet rimon" - I am the devoted hand of the divine God.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#56 - 2015-02-25 12:41:23 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Honestly the venue is better off without the likes of Kim-baka. She's shown repeatedly that she cannot even be civil to, much less respectful of, anyone she disagrees with -blablabla-.

Well, when primitive savages instead of addressing points I have raised, attack not my points, by spread ridiculous baseless lies about me instead, for example, claiming like a brainless dolt that I can't be civil with anyone I disagree with, that's basically means they have no real arguments against what I have been saying.

So, primitives aside, lets return to the proper discussion.

Thank you, Lady Kor-Azor for supporting my point of view, however, I would like to note, that under criminal regime I was implying real war crimes that were committed by Federal Navy - owner of the station under question, and who is the main military arm of Gallente Federation.

Lord Sariah, I appreciate your desire to help me to get there, however, I would like to warn you beforehand, that I am wanted for pseudo-"triple murder" in Federation from the time before I became a capsuleer, and all other things I did in their space after I became one. They would try to detain or kill me with 99.99% probability, and might consider you my accomplice. I am afraid it would be me, who will be defending you. I was a ground trooper myself, but jumping into wasp nest isn't my favorite pastime.

Ms. Ember, besides that amount of space I would have to parse between my quarters and "neutral" establishment through hostile territory inside Navy station, I would like to state a significant concern to any neutrality claims of any establishment, set up withing borders of such fascist regime as Gallente Federation. We aren't talking about putting some hub between Caldari megacorporations in our space, but in space of highly centralized and ideologically monolith brainwashed federals.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Eli Sariah
Doomheim
#57 - 2015-02-25 12:59:47 UTC
Quote:
Well, when primitive savages instead of addressing points I have raised, attack not my points, by spread ridiculous baseless lies about me instead, for example, claiming like a brainless dolt that I can't be civil with anyone I disagree with, that's basically means they have no real arguments against what I have been saying.

So, primitives aside, lets return to the proper discussion.

Thank you, Lady Kor-Azor for supporting my point of view, however, I would like to note, that under criminal regime I was implying real war crimes that were committed by Federal Navy - owner of the station under question, and who is the main military arm of Gallente Federation.

Lord Sariah, I appreciate your desire to help me to get there, however, I would like to warn you beforehand, that I am wanted for pseudo-"triple murder" in Federation from the time before I became a capsuleer, and all other things I did in their space after I became one. They would try to detain or kill me with 99.99% probability, and might consider you my accomplice. I am afraid it would be me, who will be defending you. I was a ground trooper myself, but jumping into wasp nest isn't my favorite pastime.

Ms. Ember, besides that amount of space I would have to parse between my quarters and "neutral" establishment through hostile territory inside Navy station, I would like to state a significant concern to any neutrality claims of any establishment, set up withing borders of such fascist regime as Gallente Federation. We aren't talking about putting some hub between Caldari megacorporations in our space, but in space of highly centralized and ideologically monolith brainwashed federals.


Very well Ms. Kim, thank you for you response, i can understand that, i will not inquire further on the matter, but, unless i am mistaken, so i apologize before hand incase this is the case, i thought that no empire may enter a private capsuleer location within the station, i am also led to believe that they are almost completely separate from the rest of the station, and on that note, if one empire would be to trespass in these area's, even to capture a person of interest such as yourself, they would be evoking the ire of all capsuleers, and if i may say so myself, it is a tad hard to take an immortal, from a room filled with immortals, who can be cloned in the room next door and come back to the fight, i do not fear the Gallente for what they may think of myself for escorting you, i am a warrior of His will, i answer only to him, and to my Empress, however i would co-operate of course, but yes.. Forgive me if i am wrong, i only have experience with Imperial Academy facilities.

If you change your mind, the offer is still, how do you put it, still on the table, yes? Please do not hesitate to inform me, and thank you Ms. Kim, for the formal address, i am not used to it from any bar fellow Amarrians, so thank you, may you future endeavours be blessed with good luck, fly safe Ms. Kim.

"For i am one of the faithful, one of the immortal, one of the incorruptible"

Regards, Eli Sariah

"A manu dei e tet rimon" - I am the devoted hand of the divine God.

Lasairiona Raske
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#58 - 2015-02-25 13:19:08 UTC
Oh, Diana, do shut up. I doubt you would be welcome anyways. Threatening people's children is just the sort of behavior Halcy wouldn't like to see at Elysion.

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Shelby Dusette
Division 13
#59 - 2015-02-25 14:07:50 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
I do look forward very much to visiting in person sometime.

Can I come?

I hope all these people aren't gonna be there 'cause like.... look at them fighting already.
Jennifer Starfall
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#60 - 2015-02-25 14:54:35 UTC
On Ms. Ember's behalf, I will reiterate that The Elysion maintains itself as a neutral, non-violent venue. All who are willing to abide by those simple principles are welcome and invited to visit, relax, have the alcoholic or non-alcoholic beverage of their choice, and maybe have a meal in our restaurant.

You will note that we say that you are welcome and invited. Do not feel in any way obligated to visit us. If you feel at odds with our principles or standards, please do not feel obligated to attend. We will not be offended. The intent of The Elysion is to provide a relaxed, peaceful and social environment.

If you have a concern about The Elysion's policies, you are more than welcome to address it to Ms. Ember, myself or any others of the staff. We will listen to your concern and respond to it as best we can. This does not, however, imply that we will necessarily change a policy or philosophy. We respect your right to disagree with our policies and philosophies. By the same token, we expect a similar respect towards us in our right to set the policies and philosophies of The Elysion as Ms. Ember directs.

As much as we would like to be all things to all people, such a goal is unfortunately unrealistic. Therefore, we do the best we can. To those for whom we fall short, please accept our regrets.

It is obvious that Ms. Kor-Azor and Ms. Kim would not find the environment to their liking. While they are welcome, we understand if they choose not to visit. I would politely ask that discussion of their agendas or actions be taken elsewhere.

Ms. Hanaya, you seem to have some concerns about visiting the Elysion. Contact me, and I will do my best to respond to them.

Jennifer Starfall

Fifth Seyllin Conference