EVE General Discussion

So i just read a post by CCP Falcon that i found on This week in EVE #69.

If the CONCORD aren't using hyper advanced jove technology, merely OP amalgamations of the 4 factions' ships, does this mean, with the right number and combination of ships, the CONCORD could be beaten?

Ask the Minmatar how that went.

Amarr Victor, if I recall.

Okay, so CONCORD is basically all the Faction ships thrown in a blender and then glued together, with some extra Jova boosts (Insta Teleport, shutting down whole systems, all that super ninja stuff) but it was possible to kill them at one point, and some how they had actually players.. Which confuses me.. But older mechanics and alliteration of the game are too much to completely remember all of it, check out this link: https://zkillboard.com/corporation/1000125/

What.. Have.. You.. Started..

In other words, this:

Local Chat:

awesomeman11 [11:52:52] - Guys! I killed that CONCORD ship, gankers rule!
awesomeman11 [11:53:01] - OMG! THERE EVERYWHER! HELP HELP HELP! 50 CONCORD SHIPS WARPED IN!
awesomeman11 [11:53:45] - So.. I died.. And my Sec Status is -10.00 from 10.00.. So..

Where are you getting this? I've never heard that in any of the books... In the books plenty of capsuleers are also in their "Front Line Forces" and get the same ships that we do... There's a reason Empires are becoming terrified of the capsuleers in the lore; they know we're more powerful than them.

Sniper Smith... you were correct until you reached the Empires and CONCORD.


CONCORD...
- has access to the best tech that all the empires have to offer... meaning they are basically piloting "uber" ships (8 highs, 8 mids, 8 lows, bonuses for all weapon and tanking styles IIRC).
- is the most advanced force in empire space (but still nowhere near Jove level).
- have their own Capsuleer force (in the lore, not one that players can't join).
- try to keep their distance from the politics of the 4 empires and weed out any moles or spies from them (due to the above points).
- CAN be overwhelmed by a sizable enough Empire force (because they are effectively a "small police force"... not an actual military).
- CAN be overwhelmed by a sizable enough Capsuleer force (like MoO did back in the day). But with certain "upgrades" to the interfaces between Capsuleer pods and ships they can "shut us down" remotely (hence, why we can't fight back when we go "criminal").


Then you have the "old" Sansha Empire which...
- was more technologically advanced than each of the empires were at the time (which required them to combine forces).
- existed when CONCORD was still in its infancy (and was thus, fairly impotent).


Then there is the "new" Incursion level Sansha (which are possibly just as strong as the "old" Sansha).


Then you have us... the Capsuleers.
- We literally "become" the ship we are flying and are able to...
----- enhance ship capabilities through focused mental conditioning (skill books)
----- stand toe to toe with fleets of ships controlled through "normal" / traditional means.
- We organize in ways that no empire can do... and much more efficiently.
(NOTE: we were created by our respective empires to be used against the other empires for the above reasons... we are literally the result of a twisted MAD doctrine where each side wanted to have more capsuleers to win their wars... then they "lost control" of us and decided the best option was to create the dystopia we have today... where we prey on each other)


The 4 empires.
- Technologically they are as advanced as Capsuleers... but they keep some "toys" from us to maintain an advantage (like the "orginal" Mark I Titans).
- Anything they can't stand up to ship for ship (like CONCORD or us Capsuleers) they simply overwhelm with numbers (though, this doesn't always work).
- They have their own forces of Capsuleers too... but their numbers are smaller than "freelancers" like us (players).


The Pirate/Merc/Remnant Factions.
- technologically they are no worse than the 4 empires... they just lack...
------ the same infrastructure and economic clout
------ decently trained crews (I imagine they just pick up poor desperate sobs wherever they can get them and just stick them in a ship).
------ any support from friendly forces.
------ military forces anywhere near the same size.
- The "remnant Sansha" that exist in Stain and you see in missions make up this group... along with Serpentis, Guardian Angels, Mordu's Legion, Blood Raiders, EoM, Rogue Drones, Intaki Syndicate, and general mercs.

Some guys killed a Concord battleship on SiSi when the titan testing happend with a fleet of around 90 titans by redeeming them in a high sec system.

Not correct

In terms of classification based on fleet numbers, it would be something like this:

• CONCORD Assembly - Largest by far, in terms of numbers.
• Amarr Navy - Massive and sprawling, but aging quite heavily.
• Federation Navy - Sizeable, and very much up to date.
• Republic Fleet - Sizeable, maybe 70% or so the size of the Federation Navy, but less maintained.
• Caldari Navy - Smallest significantly, but incredibly advanced and cutting edge.

There's no public data on the Jove Navy's fleet numbers, so they're not on this list.

In terms of classification based on technology, fleet age and fleet performance per vessel, it would look something like this:

[*} Jove Navy - We know their tech is hugely advanced, so they get top spot.

• CONCORD Assembly - they have the ability to keep everyone in check.
• Caldari Navy - The Caldari Navy's fleet is the youngest and most sophisticated. Average fleet age is less than 20 years.
• Federation Navy - Very advanced, relying heavily on automation. Reliable and very powerful.
• Amarr Navy - Aging, with a significant number of its fleet needing updates and refitting.
• Republic Fleet - Not in as bad shape as the worst of the Amarr Navy, but in need of a breath of fresh life in places.

The Empire forces that are encountered on gates, stations and which are seen in space patrolling and responding to those with negative standings are by no means reservists at all. These are active service vessels within the Navy, or their respective corporation.

Ironically, it's the 4 militias, made up of capsuleers, which were created under the CONCORD Emergency Militia War Powers Act in YC110 that are the "reservists".