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How do you quit a job you like for a job you think will be better?

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Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#21 - 2015-02-15 18:36:36 UTC
Johan Civire wrote:
i have a wife and back then i ask here to married me! She answer yes but i say you will also married with eve online to. The answer was and is still yes.
Sounds like you have a good one -- congrats.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2015-02-15 22:29:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Here's a thought: A situation where you deserve a raise for your performance could be one where you're guilty of doing a better job than your position was planned for, and budgeted for.

The reality is employers expect another un-creative degree holder who more or less goes through the motions of what they learned in school.

Having talent is a special type of problem. Your best chances for feeling engaged and satisfied with your job (and its benefits) are in finding a company (and position) that is known to need a superstar, and budgeted (and recruited) that way.

In contrast, trying to stretch a normal-person-job into something tailored to you is an uphill battle.

I wonder if your boss simply knows he had it good, but that your candle burned brighter than the position deserved. He might have recognized this back when you were a job candidate, that your future was somewhere beyond that company and that position. But heck, if you're looking to work in that job, better to hire you and not question it.

There's also the possibility of advancement. It could be that your career progression should be "up," but that would unseat him, and he knows this.

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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-02-16 00:47:09 UTC
Rain's advice about not asking for a counter-offer was spot on. Always give your employer the opportunity to either show that they know your value and really want to keep you, or not.

The fact that your boss did not ask to be allowed to present a counter offer meant either the company is unwilling, or your boss already knows they can't or won't match it.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2015-02-16 02:54:49 UTC
Or your boss is just relieved you're not trying to take his job

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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#25 - 2015-02-16 03:00:20 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Here's a thought: A situation where you deserve a raise for your performance could be one where you're guilty of doing a better job than your position was planned for, and budgeted for.

The reality is employers expect another un-creative degree holder who more or less goes through the motions of what they learned in school.

Having talent is a special type of problem. Your best chances for feeling engaged and satisfied with your job (and its benefits) are in finding a company (and position) that is known to need a superstar, and budgeted (and recruited) that way.

In contrast, trying to stretch a normal-person-job into something tailored for you is an uphill battle.

I wonder if your boss simply knows he had it good, but that your candle burned brighter than the position deserved. He might have recognized this back when you were a job candidate, that your future was somewhere beyond that company and that position. But heck, if you're looking to work in that job, better to hire you and not question it.

There's also the possibility of advancement. It could be that your career progression should be "up," but that would unseat him, and he knows this.


I think there's some truth to this. The position I was recruited for has not been particularly challenging. But my boss has been pretty flexible about finding interesting work for me to do. His approach has been, hire the talent, worry about what to do with it afterwards. I'm pretty okay with that. Advancement isn't something I've been terribly worried about. It's a small company, and there's not a lot of room for upward mobility, but I knew that when I took the job.

I'm not unhappy with the gig or the pay, really. I just wanted more flexibility to work remotely. My dad is very old, and I need to be out of town fairly often to help take care of him. Basically, I was burning all my vacation time just to do what I needed to be available to my family, and that kind of sucks after a while.

This company just doesn't have a culture for remote work. It's very much a 9-5, show up, do you work, go home and forget about it kind of deal. Great if you've got kids of your own and want something really stable. Not so great if you don't fit into a Dallas suburban lifestyle and need more flexibility.

Anyway, I wasn't really looking for a counteroffer, and I told him that up front. Just need some flexibility. I got offered a gig that is flexible, and I'm taking it. The extra money is just icing on the cake. I didn't leave him any room to negotiate because I had no intention of negotiating. I really really like the guy a lot, and he knows that.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#26 - 2015-02-17 03:06:30 UTC
Counter-offers are tricky. By that time, you've already firmed up the other job, accepted the offer, and are resigning. If you take the counter-offer, now you have to tell the new employer that you're backing out.

And the old employer (the one you're staying with) can think: A) You two-timing beatch, after all we did for you, you were secretly betraying me and job searching this whole time. I never trust you again; or B) You're one of us. An enterprising, self-improving go-getter, just like me. B) is more likely in most cases, I think, if it's a pretty professional organization. But if it's a family business or solo enterprise with an emperor/empress, it can be an A) situation.

The other side is, if you accept the counter-offer from the current employer, the new employer will probably never trust you again. They picked you from a group of candidates, they needed you right now, you accepted, and you back out after they were done with the selection and hiring project. So, if the employers are in the same field in the same area, it might be best to go with the new employer, no matter what. You can stay friends with the old employer and make new friends at the new one. Someday when you're a vet in the field and more people have moved around between various companies in your industry, you'll be in position of having a friendly network and being able to get people together and maybe do something you want to do.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#27 - 2015-02-17 03:19:03 UTC
That's also a really good point. I've heard of cases where a person took the counter-offer and was then replaced very shortly after.

One of the things you run the risk of, I guess, is that if you price your position up into another bracket (say you are a junior dev, and suddenly you are getting paid like a senior dev to keep you around) well, you just got your boss a req for a senior dev, and you're suddenly in a much more competitive group, which maybe you don't stack up so well in.

Regardless, I wasn't worried about that. Talked it out with the boss in detail first thing this morning. He congratulated me and wished me all the best. He said he wished he could counter with something reasonably comparable, but we both knew he couldn't. Anyway it's all going to be fine. He'll miss me, and frankly, I'll miss them too. Heh. He told me to stay in touch in case things didn't work out at the new gig. He'd be happy to have me back working for him anytime. Which is pretty reassuring. Part of me feels like this gig is on the verge of being too good to be true.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#28 - 2015-02-17 17:40:49 UTC
That's really excellent. Stay in touch with those guys, if you can. You all may be able to help each other out or collaborate later on down the road.
jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#29 - 2015-02-23 20:07:29 UTC  |  Edited by: jason hill
Glathull wrote:
That's also a really good point. I've heard of cases where a person took the counter-offer and was then replaced very shortly after.

One of the things you run the risk of, I guess, is that if you price your position up into another bracket (say you are a junior dev, and suddenly you are getting paid like a senior dev to keep you around) well, you just got your boss a req for a senior dev, and you're suddenly in a much more competitive group, which maybe you don't stack up so well in.

Regardless, I wasn't worried about that. Talked it out with the boss in detail first thing this morning. He congratulated me and wished me all the best. He said he wished he could counter with something reasonably comparable, but we both knew he couldn't. Anyway it's all going to be fine. He'll miss me, and frankly, I'll miss them too. Heh. He told me to stay in touch in case things didn't work out at the new gig. He'd be happy to have me back working for him anytime. Which is pretty reassuring. Part of me feels like this gig is on the verge of being too good to be true.



pro tip sports fans ... the grass isn't allways greener on the other side . ive found this out a few times in my career the job being sold is without exception never ever what is in the description .quotes like "jase the hardest part of the job is to turn up in the morning "
only to find the hardest part is getting out of the door after ending up doing a 12 hour shift whilst getting paid only for 7.5 hours and even then eyebrows being raised because your sometimes not appearing to be as "committed as the company might expect "

thank fuk the uk job mkt is really picking up in the part of the country I live in (thames valley ) because if it keeps going the way I think it is peeps from all over the company will voting with their feet ...and yes the company I work for is one of the worlds biggest in its field
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