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Fresh out of tutorials, got tons of questions

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Miwako Tani
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-02-23 11:17:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Miwako Tani
Hi everyone! So I realize I can find some, if not all of the answers using the search button. However I'd rather actually engage with the community when given the opportunity rather than talk to a search engine.

Anyway

So I'm fresh out of the tutorials (career tutorials, like exploration, advanced military stuff and whatnot, I did them all). This is my 3rd try at Eve and I'm finally getting into it.

But now what? I notice missions I can do at other stations (they seem, some of them at least, to be for one faction or another), they look fun and all, but I'm not sure about the faction thing.

I've applied to Eve uni, waiting for them to come back to me with the reply, maybe this'll be a start.

I've also got two of my RL friends to play the game but we haven't yet played together (several systems apart, and we were still doing tutorials up until yesterday), but obviously, I'd like to group and play with them. However I'm the only english speaking one of the bunch, will that be a problem later down the road? that they don't speak/read/write english?

I've read somewhere that actually moving to have a home station in a null sec system isn't that bad of an idea. But realistically, what does it take to actually get to a point where this can be a viable "way of life", being a null sec resident?
Actually, what does it take to even be able just to go there and check out those systems?

I enjoy the idea of being prepared for PVP, but not especially to actually "attack", rather to defend myself if attacked. I understand it has a lot to do with actually being smart, but gameplay wise, are there skills or equipment to favor over others?

Another question, say I just want to keep doing missions, build some ISK for now and keep learning the game. Are there any systems that would be better to go to in high sec space?

What timeline am I looking at for going to explore low sec? null sec? I'm guessing at least months.

I've also created other characters on the same account, but I can't seem to be able to train them, will they benefit from the same skills as my main? what's the deal with same accounts alts?

Oh, and lastly, what do I do with all my ships? I got maybe 10ish ships, all in one place, what if I want to move to a system closer to my friend's? should I go back and forth in a capsule? Sounds tedious, are there alternatives to bring my ships over to a system possibly dozens of jumps away from where they are now?

thank you all :D sorry for the noobish questions
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-02-23 11:31:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Azda Ja
Miwako Tani wrote:
What timeline am I looking at for going to explore low sec? null sec? I'm guessing at least months.


Now.

Don't wait, go now.


[Probe, Explorer]

Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Relic Analyzer I
Data Analyzer I
Scan Rangefinding Array I

Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Prototype Cloaking Device I
[Empty High slot]

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
[Empty Rig slot]

I'm sure someone has a better fit to recommend, but this is something very cheap and has a low skill point requirement.

If you like, you can copy and paste any fit in that format, and when in game, go into the fitting window, click import fitting, and choose "Import from clipboard".

Presto bango, the fit is in game, hit save and you can consult it anytime. Right click the modules and look at what they do. Pressing view market details will take you to the market (duh) and you can sort by price and pick buy what is needed instead of clicking through menus for an hour.

This should cost around 5 mil. One ok-ish site in low or null sec will pay for four or five of these.

I'll update this post with some more stuff later.

EDIT: Adding some miscellaneous guides and resources for you to take a peek at.

Newbie skill plan, focused on combat: http://blog.beyondreality.se/Newbie-skill-plan-2
Lowsec Survival and other PvP articles: http://www.evealtruist.com/p/article-index.html
Directional Scanner guide (this is to help you avoid fights when necessary): http://www.evealtruist.com/2011/04/directional-scanner-in-pvp.html

Welcome to EVE!

Grrr.

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-02-23 11:41:34 UTC
Pvp can be done day 1 in eve, and while moving to null day one can be difficult, its definitely not impossible. The only caveat is that you join an active corp that has group activities for you to participate in, as you won't be able to solo most of the content out there.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-02-23 11:59:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Miwako Tani wrote:


Another question, say I just want to keep doing missions, build some ISK for now and keep learning the game. Are there any systems that would be better to go to in high sec space?



If you do want pursue the mission running line the next step after careers is the SOE 'Blood Stained Stars' beginner Epic Arc. just google it or check out the thread about Dagan in this forum.

Miwako Tani wrote:

I've also created other characters on the same account, but I can't seem to be able to train them, will they benefit from the same skills as my main? what's the deal with same accounts alts?


You need to either stop training your main temporarily (bad idea) or pay extra for multicharacter training.

Miwako Tani wrote:

Oh, and lastly, what do I do with all my ships? I got maybe 10ish ships, all in one place, what if I want to move to a system closer to my friend's? should I go back and forth in a capsule? Sounds tedious, are there alternatives to bring my ships over to a system possibly dozens of jumps away from where they are now?


You could just take them into losec and look around.

Alternatively sell them but at your own market 'sell" price not the sell price that comes up when you hit sell. The default sell price in school system is stupidly low ( I once got 300 ventures by bidding 100k each for them at a school).

You can pay Red Frog to freight them for you but newbie frigates would not be worth the freight charges.

If one of your ships is a freighter it could move a couple of packaged frigates at a time for you.
Chal0ner
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#5 - 2015-02-23 12:12:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Chal0ner
First welcome to Eve!

Language thing: depending on what language thing you speak, there might very well be a corp for (primarily) members in your contry/language. I know there are Russian, Hungarian, Swedish, Finnish and German (pvp) corps for example. As for 0.0 I wouldn't maybe go there day 1 but you could move out to within a month (conservatively speaking). My pvp character moved to low sec week 1 doing missions and learning the area.

You can only train one character per account (without paying for it). And finally as for moving ships, it all depends on what they are. You could repackage them and moving them in a industrial ship, or else move them as you say - flying them between stations. Or find someone to move them for you (not anybody - you might risk getting them stolen - someone you trust); of pay for the service but it might very well be too expensive at this point).
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#6 - 2015-02-23 12:15:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
Miwako Tani wrote:


I've also created other characters on the same account, but I can't seem to be able to train them, will they benefit from the same skills as my main? what's the deal with same accounts alts?


You can create two more Chars on any one single account but you cannot have them online at the same time, for that you need different accounts. You can, however, train two or even all three of them simlutaneously if you pay for them or use monthly PLEX (those are ingame items that can be bought by real-life money OR a certain sum of in-game money (currently around 790 Million ISK apiece)).

Miwako Tani wrote:
Oh, and lastly, what do I do with all my ships? I got maybe 10ish ships, all in one place, what if I want to move to a system closer to my friend's? should I go back and forth in a capsule? Sounds tedious, are there alternatives to bring my ships over to a system possibly dozens of jumps away from where they are now?


There are several ways to deal with that:
1) You should have gotten an Industrial ship, which is probably too small to carry lots of ships but should be capable to transport all of your other stuff you received to your new place.
2) As you mentioned, you can make several different trips and get the ships around one by one.
3) You can pay someone (via setting up a Contract) to do that for you but that might be expensive
4) You leave them where they are for now and buy new ones at your destionation.
5) You can sell the ships where they are now and buy new ones at your destination... theoretically you might even make a profit but more likely you will break even or have a small loss.

The thing to keep in mind, however, is the fact that all the ships you currently have are really dirt cheap.
It might not seem so for you currently, but it is. If you join Eve University, they give out ships like those you currently have for free... and basic modules as well (and skillbooks for that matter), though for that I think you will have to relocate to Aldrat where they have their headquarters (if you join them, this would be a wise idea anyway. I think they are currently at war and there is a certain protection in numbers (not to mention there are certain ways to find out where Players are at any time, easier even with Corp members); also, you can more easily take part in any Corp-activities by being "at place").

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Je suis Berlin // Fort Lauderdale // London // St. Petersburg // Stockholm

Je suis [?]

Koebmand
Silverflames
#7 - 2015-02-23 12:26:34 UTC
Miwako Tani wrote:
I'm the only english speaking one of the bunch, will that be a problem later down the road? that they don't speak/read/write english?


E-Uni is all English as far as I know, would suggest you find a corp you all can be in. You taking a round in E-Uni while finding this corp, doesn't seem like a bad idea, learn some stuff you can pass on.

Sadly the language channels were deleted, not all languages have the same community as they had before. Depending what language you speak you might be able to find a player made substitute where everyone talk your language, try look for that. Hopefully it will lead to finding a good corp you can communicate with.
Miwako Tani
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-02-23 12:40:51 UTC
Thanks for all the replies. to me, language isn't an issue and I'm perfectly comfortable, willing and able to play in english. My other friends, however, only speak french.

As for the ships, I should have told that I was talking about the reward ships I got from subscribing, maybe they worth a little more than the low level ships? maybe not?
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-02-23 12:46:11 UTC
Miwako Tani wrote:
Thanks for all the replies. to me, language isn't an issue and I'm perfectly comfortable, willing and able to play in english. My other friends, however, only speak french.

As for the ships, I should have told that I was talking about the reward ships I got from subscribing, maybe they worth a little more than the low level ships? maybe not?


I can put you in touch with a french speaking PVP corp. As far as I know they will take on day 1 newbies and get them into fights ASAP if that's something that interests you. I'll track them down and put you in touch. At the very least they can perhaps point you towards other francophones.

Grrr.

Miwako Tani
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-02-23 13:04:52 UTC
Azda Ja wrote:
Miwako Tani wrote:
Thanks for all the replies. to me, language isn't an issue and I'm perfectly comfortable, willing and able to play in english. My other friends, however, only speak french.

As for the ships, I should have told that I was talking about the reward ships I got from subscribing, maybe they worth a little more than the low level ships? maybe not?


I can put you in touch with a french speaking PVP corp. As far as I know they will take on day 1 newbies and get them into fights ASAP if that's something that interests you. I'll track them down and put you in touch. At the very least they can perhaps point you towards other francophones.


Thank you very much

is it a viable option to start our own corp?
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-02-23 13:13:23 UTC
Exploration in all spaces, high (not so much), low, null, wormhole, is a good way to find out about New Eden. This will get you some cash flow, teach you how to die gracefully, which is an important skill in EvE* Blink, and to survive in hostile environments (you will likely get tips from those who popped you, when you convo them about). Probing skills are a must have for every capsuleer, to find hidden things and get around quick through wormholes. Enjoy the thrill of being hunted ... and eventually become a hunter on your own. If you team up, you should consider flying mixed combat and probing ships, ... hey, I never saw that before. If people would actually doing that, it would be much harder for us pirates to kill those "lone" explorers Twisted

* A ship in EvE is a tool, don't fly what you can't effort to lose (including cargo). Consider a ship you undock with as already dead, it may be just not visible to you yet. Blink

I'm my own NPC alt.

Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#12 - 2015-02-23 13:14:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
Miwako Tani wrote:
is it a viable option to start our own corp?


Viable yes, logical perhaps not. Would you be in a proper corporation with good newbie help, leadership, many different play styles and no drama then you would probably learn the game faster and the experience, knowledge and play styles of older players might rub off on you making your EVE experience a lot better. However, that assumes you found a good corp of which there are not many, but I'd say that even bad experiences are better than none at all.

There's good corps out there and they're worth the search. For that reason I'm actually setting up a newbie training corp again (with active pvp/combat focus) on some alts to provide a different, more active approach to EVE than most other corps offer. I'm not advertising or anything (chars aren't ready, besides it's not French heh).
Miwako Tani
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-02-23 13:21:52 UTC
Right now, I've applied for EVE university, I'll start there if they let me in.

But as an entrepreneur in real life, I like the idea of managing my own corp ingame as well
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-02-23 13:29:42 UTC
Miwako Tani wrote:

Thank you very much

is it a viable option to start our own corp?


Technically yes. But it does make things difficult. My first corp is one I started so the friends I made in the newbie corp and I could stick together. It was extremely rewarding, forced me (as CEO) to learn very quickly. It can also be quite exhausting. A corp in EVE (in general) is not like a "guild" in other MMOs, depending on your goals, it can be overwhelming.

My current CEO did the same, and he has a talent for it, the corp he created is now over a year old and going strong. He did have help though. So, depending on your ambitions, getting someone to show you the ropes is a good idea. It's up to you of course, but it's generally advized for a new player to join an established group, since it makes the learning process far easier.

It is of course up to you. It can be done, is rewarding, but it does make the "learning cliff" steeper and more treacherous.

Grrr.

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-02-23 13:39:02 UTC
As a stepping stone to an actual tangible corporation, you could just create a chat room for now and limit it to your "corp" members.

This builds a sense of community without having to actually worry about the actual mechanical logistics of the corp function ingame (as this requires actual skills, books, money etc)

Once you're clued up, bit more SP and some starting capital, that's the time to go full into creating a corp using the official tools.

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2015-02-23 16:06:40 UTC
To play this game you really need friends and ideally friends that are vets. So I recommend finding a corp that speaks french that you and your RL friends can join. Either that or find some francophone chat channels in game. Having people that have been playing the game for a while to be able to ask questions and get answers is very valuable especially early on.

As far as meeting up with your real life friends you can do that at any time just travel to the systems where they are or have them travel to you or meet somewhere.

As far as bringing all of your ships with you there is no need for that. I have stuff all over new eden. Some people will sell stuff off some will move it with them but there is no need to bring all of your stuff where ever you go. If you need one of your ships in a new location then move it there if you do not need it leave it where it is. You can always go back later and get it if you decide that you need it. I just about a month ago went to run level 3 missions with a new player and found a couple of Battlecruisers that I had sitting in stations that I had not docked at in years.

As far as starting your own corp it can be a lot of work depending on what you plan on doing. It could also be a lot to be learning combat in the game as well as corp management however if it's what you like to do there is no reason that you can't do it. As I understand it the French client is fairly new so I'm not sure how many french speaking corps there are out there.

So welcome to Eve and keep in mind most of the content in this game is player created. So if something is happening in game it is because a player or group of players envisioned it and then made it happen.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Miwako Tani
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-02-23 17:40:44 UTC
thanks for all the help; for now I'll keep my application for eve uni as a starting point. I'll see later with my friends what we do.

for transporting my ship, I got myself a mammoth freighter ship that may help me getting the job done.

I've done some random exploration today on my own, had fun but I still need to get to grips with how that probe thing really works. I'm probably missing something here.

anyway, thanks for all the help, I'll take all the advice I can
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#18 - 2015-02-23 17:41:05 UTC
Well, this Forum has a french-language Subforum (just scroll to the bottom) so that might be a place to start.

Generally, if you really want to play with your friends (and there is nothing wrong with this, of course) and your friends only speak french, then there is probably no way around joining a french-speaking Corporation.... no doubt there are some people in Eve University that speak french as well, but the lingua franca for any multinational Corp is english.

As for making your own Corp, there is no problem with that either, all you need is a couple of skills - which is a matter of hours to train - and a million or two ISK... in fact this might be an ideal thing to have alternative Chars on your account for.
In fact, lots of people use different Chars for different purposes: That PvPer you meet in Low-Sec might have a mining Char running on a second account or that Null-Sec dweller might also be a member of RvB to have some fun while he waits for his fleet to form up.

HOWEVER, I would NOT advise to make this Corp your main social focus for you and your friends, you definitely want to associate with older players that can teach you about EvE, something that won´t happen in your own Corp (if you cannot swim you don´t want to jump into deep water with only other non-swimmers to teach you....)

Je suis Paris // Köln // Brüssel // Orlando // Nice // Würzburg, München, Ansbach // Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray

Je suis Berlin // Fort Lauderdale // London // St. Petersburg // Stockholm

Je suis [?]

Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2015-02-23 17:43:51 UTC
Miwako Tani wrote:

but I still need to get to grips with how that probe thing really works. I'm probably missing something here.


Scanning for Beginners.

Grrr.

Phig Neutron
Starbreaker and Sons
#20 - 2015-02-23 17:51:59 UTC
Miwako Tani wrote:
Right now, I've applied for EVE university, I'll start there if they let me in.

But as an entrepreneur in real life, I like the idea of managing my own corp ingame as well

I started a corporation (not with this character) with a brand new character after playing only about 3 months on a throw-away account. We had a lot of great experiences learning the game together and it was worth doing. Recruiting members is a challenge when you have little to offer other than camaraderie. However, we all eventually wanted to learn from others and so we went on to join other corporations. Also, frankly, I got burned out from all the time I was playing EVE. Careful you don't create a full-time job for yourself in a computer game!

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