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The Best Ways to Make ISK in Null doing PVE?

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PhonyBarone
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-02-20 13:24:07 UTC
What's the best way to make ISK in nullsec doing solo PVE? Warping from belt to belt killing the rats that spawn? Running the anoms? What's usually the most ISK per hour PVE-wise in null space? Also, what is the best ship to run such sites in and potential fittings for said ships if you can spare them? I'd imagine T3 cruisers would be best suited to solo anything that didn't require a carrier to solo.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated o/
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2015-02-20 15:42:47 UTC
PhonyBarone wrote:
What's the best way to make ISK in nullsec doing solo PVE? Warping from belt to belt killing the rats that spawn? Running the anoms? What's usually the most ISK per hour PVE-wise in null space? Also, what is the best ship to run such sites in and potential fittings for said ships if you can spare them? I'd imagine T3 cruisers would be best suited to solo anything that didn't require a carrier to solo.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated o/


Anoms in an upgraded system and their escalations (to DED complexes) are the steady income in Sov null space. Belts are way less isk and way more work. "Exploration" scanning down signatures for combat and profession sites is good but takes time and some luck.

If the goal is 'a fun activity that also makes space bucks' then it's exploration, if it's 'I need isk to do other things and can endure a bit ore tedium/boredom/repetitive actions, it's anoms lol. i'm one of the weird birds who actually LIKES doing anoms though.

As for ship for anoms, there are plenty of options. Depends on how much you want to spend and risk, how much isk you want to make how fast,, what space you are in (ie what NPCs are you killing) and what you can fly.

-Drone ships are good in any null space. Navy Vexor, Ishtar, Dominix are completely universal.

Tech1 battleships of various kids are useful depending on the rat

-Missile ships (Raven, Typhoon etc) are good everywhere but depend on you being able to buy, transport or make ammo.

-Marauders are great but risky.

-Carriers are really great but more risky.

-Tech3s are ok but slower than battleships

-Pirate Battleships except the Bhaalgorn are great depending on what kind of rat (the Rattlesnake is universal and laughs at all NPC EWAR because it general sits at range and if it gets jammed can just use FoF missiles, the machariel is great against all rats except Blood and Sanshas that tracking disrupt, the Vindicator is only really good against Serps and Guristas and the Nightmare is only really good against Sanshas and Bloods).

-Attack Battlecruisers aren't great isk wise, but are safe and cheap as all hell.

You have to have a starting point in mind. if you tell me what kinds of rats you will face, what ships you can fly well and such, I can be m ore specific. Like many of us in this forum section, I've lived all over Sov Null and done a whole lot of pve out there.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2015-02-20 15:44:21 UTC
Anoms. Havens and Sanctums. Ishtar or a carrier. T3's lack projection and/or DPS in most cases by comparison. That's not to say that T3's are bad. They can solo just about anything. They just aren't usually the best choice for ISK/hr.
PhonyBarone
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-02-20 19:33:12 UTC
Can you guys recommend any fitting for an Ishtar that could tank well and has good dps? Also, Micro jump drive out and drop sentries or what's the best strategy?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-02-20 19:44:40 UTC
you can't fit a MJD on an ishtar.

Best way to do it would be warp in at range and just blap stuff as it comes in, have a MWD for repositioning.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2015-02-20 20:53:38 UTC
Fits are going to be very dependent on what type of rats you are shooting at.
PhonyBarone
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-02-20 20:55:01 UTC
Shooting at Angel rats . Explosive I believe
PhonyBarone
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-02-20 20:57:53 UTC
Also, is there an online resource that tells you which rat faction occupies which regions of null or is there presence throughout a region not uniform but random?
Lord Buckwild
Buckwild's Children
#9 - 2015-02-21 17:03:56 UTC
How do DED sites/anoms in low and null sec compare with sleeper hacker sites in WHs, ISK wise? It has become annoying having to go back for my attack ship whenever I find a hacking site that has sleepers.

I imagine its way easier to get ganked doing anoms since they can just warp straight to you without probing, thus you have no warning when someone is looking for you. Or do you just warp out as soon as someone with a fishy profile jumps into local?

If I decide to do null/lowe sec anoms, it will likely be with an amarr T1 BS since there is no way I'm sending in a paladin out there. Any recommendations on fits assuming all skills needed are there? I assume I will be taking on sansha and blood raider pirates. Final question, is a Black Ops BS a good route for null sec anoms for safety and isk making reasons? Sorry for the long list of questions, but any help will be appreciated.
Agent Unknown
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-02-23 16:46:56 UTC
Lord Buckwild wrote:
How do DED sites/anoms in low and null sec compare with sleeper hacker sites in WHs, ISK wise? It has become annoying having to go back for my attack ship whenever I find a hacking site that has sleepers.

I imagine its way easier to get ganked doing anoms since they can just warp straight to you without probing, thus you have no warning when someone is looking for you. Or do you just warp out as soon as someone with a fishy profile jumps into local?

If I decide to do null/lowe sec anoms, it will likely be with an amarr T1 BS since there is no way I'm sending in a paladin out there. Any recommendations on fits assuming all skills needed are there? I assume I will be taking on sansha and blood raider pirates. Final question, is a Black Ops BS a good route for null sec anoms for safety and isk making reasons? Sorry for the long list of questions, but any help will be appreciated.


Well, don't use a Black Ops for one. Their DPS is low for PvE with only being able to fit 4 guns. They also can't tank worth a damn (hence why they're almost exclusively used in fleets or dropping on bears).

Sleeper sites can be very valuable but requires a high degree of luck and also not being blapped by the cloaky proteus that's always watching you.

It's hard to be ganked in anoms if you're paying attention to intel and are aligned. For sentry BS like the Domi, a MJD cycle while aligned to a safe spot makes for a quick escape.

As for fits, I don't fly Amarr so I'm not much help there...
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#11 - 2015-02-23 16:58:26 UTC
Black ops can fit more than 4 guns, but that said their DPS is still low compared to other options and they are not cheap.
Agent Unknown
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-02-23 17:07:10 UTC
Aerie Evingod wrote:
Black ops can fit more than 4 guns, but that said their DPS is still low compared to other options and they are not cheap.

Oh right, only the Sin has 4 slots...
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#13 - 2015-02-24 04:37:58 UTC
So, the best way would be to infiltrate a wealthy null sec alliance. Slowly gain trust over the course of 3-4 years, then steal everything and bug out when you get roles.

I used to have a good fit for that, but I haven't seen it recently.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon

FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#14 - 2015-02-25 00:39:27 UTC
Aerie Evingod wrote:
Black ops can fit more than 4 guns, but that said their DPS is still low compared to other options and they are not cheap.


The exception is the Widow, which gets solid DPS and damage application with the right fit. I used to use 2-3 Widows, in combination with a passive shield tanked Loki, to run even the hardest sites in Blood Raiders space. Being able to jump around gate camps and use covert cynos to move was awesome before jump fatigue.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
#15 - 2015-02-25 08:03:55 UTC
Agent Unknown wrote:

Well, don't use a Black Ops for one. Their DPS is low for PvE with only being able to fit 4 guns. They also can't tank worth a damn (hence why they're almost exclusively used in fleets or dropping on bears).

Actually black ops are nice for plexrunning in non-friendly space.
Namely sin and widow.

Sin is basically a slightly weaker domi. But since you are cynoing in onto some covops cyno capable ship, it will most likely be a T3 which can improve your tank with either links or RR. And since you are definitely planning to NOT lose a ratting blops, you might as well reasonably pimp it.

As for widow, well. It shoots out to 200km. DPS, both on paper and applied, is nothing to write home about, but you are range tanking everything including EWAR (but excluding T3 neuts, some sentry towers and some cruise towers). So a T2 buffer tank is enough, and only pipm required is faction damage mods and T2 rigors. The downsides are it's not the fastest ships to plex with (but probably the safest) and it needs ammo. Badly.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2015-03-22 04:45:39 UTC
Anoms are steady isk like other's have said.

Belt ratting can be good isk but it's more hit or miss. You definitely make less isk in bounties belt ratting. However with belt ratting every 20 spawns on average you'll get a special spawn meaning either a hauler or faciton spawn. If you get good drops with those you can do very well but it depends on your luck. I once got an almost 800 million isk BS BPC drop from a belt rat and many times have gotten faction mods worth well over 150 million isk. But you can also wind up with just faction ammo. You'll want a HAC or faction cruiser for belt ratting as anything fatter takes too long to warp. Also with belt rattting if no one else has been belt ratting it will take you about an hour to kick up the spawn rate on the belt rats. If you are coming into system just as some other belt ratter is logging off you will do better.

As far as the escalations go if you are doing them solo I honestly don't think they are worth doing. Ya sure sometimes you can get a good payout with one but sometimes you can spend hours doing them and not get ****. For me if I consider the time that I spent getting to where they are and doing them and then getting back compared to my average loot drop values I think I could have made more isk sitting put and doing more anoms. Yes if you have a friend or two with BlOps BSs and a covert cyno ship that can run ahead it might be worth it but not if you have to move around non-black ops BSs to get the site done. I've even tried jumping two BS's in a carrier and with the LY nerf to jumps It took me 3 jumps to get to where I was going and 3 back. Having to move my cyno alt 6 times and wait out 4 jump fatigue timers.

As far as a ship for running anoms I'd say T1 BS. If you are fighting angels you don't want anything armor tanked. Other than that go with where your skills are. Obviously any of the minmatar BSs would work well. If you passive shield tank a Domi you could probably come up with a decent fit just don't armor tank the Domi against explosive damage. I'm sure you could come up with a Raven fit that would work well. Of course either a Machariel or Vargur would be awesome but that depends on how deep you are in blue space and how good your intel network is.

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Moor Deybe
Eternal Darkness.
The Initiative.
#17 - 2015-03-23 01:41:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Moor Deybe
PhonyBarone wrote:
Also, is there an online resource that tells you which rat faction occupies which regions of null or is there presence throughout a region not uniform but random?
Rats in which regions :

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region

Damage types incoming and damage to dish out

You could try something like this

[Ishtar, Angels]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II

100MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Explosive Deflection Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Drone Link Augmentor II
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
[Empty High slot]
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II


Bouncer II x5
Berserker II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Infiltrator II x5
Warrior II x5

I would suggest two options, either drop Bouncers at your optimal range and orbit them with the afterburner on or for a little more DPS warp in at 0 and drop Berserkers.

Either way, target frigates first as they may scram / web, then cruisers, then battleships.
Keep your traversal up e.g. orbit a battleship.

I've ratted in Drone, Guristas and Serpentis space but not against Angels so you'll have to try both methods as the comparative difference in the DPS between Bouncers and Beserkers vs the almost instant application in DPS of the Bouncers vs the travel time of the Beserkers to their next target, could swing it either way!

Have fun.

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