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The 10 resons why Technetium needs a nerf

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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2011-12-21 20:58:31 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Moons need to deplete and then present other types of minerals


Spoken like somebody who's never had to go scan down moons, also it removes the desire to fight over space.

By the time you probe the moons, set up the miners and get everything going the moon moves, so you have to tear everything down and start again.

Regional conflicts would simply die, why bother fighting over space, just wait for the moons to come back around, or even worse, by the time a war gets under way, the moons have moved making the war a moot point

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Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2011-12-21 21:03:16 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
But to the point, Tech moons need to be rebalanced equaly for all regions.
Not really, no, but perhaps it's time to shift the T2 bottleneck to some other kind of goo…


better yet, unnerf alchemy. It was, after all, created to ease up the past dyspro bottleneck.

If alchemy's efficiency was increased by 500-1000%, it would do wonders for dealing with present and future moon goo bottlenecks.

It would also nerf alliances's passive income, which is a good thing.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2011-12-21 21:35:08 UTC
Tore Vest wrote:
Yeah...
Its time to nerf something again.
Nerf rifters allso Bear

If only your posting could be nerfed.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Ghoest
#44 - 2011-12-21 21:53:11 UTC
The OP has a point. The best solution is to just add some more rech moons in other 0.0 areas.

Wherever You Went - Here You Are

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#45 - 2011-12-21 21:56:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Buffed alchemy and additional alchemy reactions is the best alternative.

Comet mining with ships yielding moongoo among other things would also be a somewhat decent alternative.

You could also seed w-space with moongoo, since all of it is blank.
Just seed enough of each material type so that the total moon mineral count ratio for each one is much closer to the overall game consumption ratio.
Xayder
modro
The Initiative.
#46 - 2011-12-21 22:12:50 UTC
I have a tech Moon, located in a nice 0.0 pipe
Willing to rent it :D

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Tore Vest
#47 - 2011-12-21 22:13:45 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Tore Vest wrote:
Yeah...
Its time to nerf something again.
Nerf rifters allso Bear

If only your posting could be nerfed.


Sry...
Leave rifters alone....
Nerf drakes
Better now ? Bear

No troll.

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2011-12-21 22:35:03 UTC
No, I'm still wishing your posting could be nerfed.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#49 - 2011-12-21 23:13:46 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Moons need to deplete and then present other types of minerals


Spoken like somebody who's never had to go scan down moons, also it removes the desire to fight over space.

By the time you probe the moons, set up the miners and get everything going the moon moves, so you have to tear everything down and start again.

Regional conflicts would simply die, why bother fighting over space, just wait for the moons to come back around, or even worse, by the time a war gets under way, the moons have moved making the war a moot point


We got all our moons before there were easily found list of all moon resources so I have scanned myself blind. Right now I'm not sure what anyone does with a moon probe anymore.

I don't propose that they deplete monthly but over time and eventually they deplete entirely (the more I think about it maybe the just end up with crappy yields and the material is "discovered" with good yield on a new moon, rinse and repeat). The the fight moves somewhere else every couple of months. For the amount of ISKs a tech moon makes there will be searching and fighting for sure! Isn't a more dynamic 0.0 what everyone claims to want?

Issler
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2011-12-21 23:27:17 UTC
Let's make things even more dynamic, let's make planets deplete their resources entirely and "magically" have them appear on a different planet.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2011-12-22 00:11:59 UTC
let's have mission stations vanish from systems and reappear in others
Emuar
Vak'Atioth War Veterans
#52 - 2011-12-22 01:36:29 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
those 3900 billion isk pumped in the ecomoy devide trough 5b = 780 moons worth fighting over, tech issue solved, more stuff to fight over, cheaper pvp ships, problem fixed.

Not a single ISK is being injected into the economy through moon mining btw.


finally an intelligent person

The mind is a constant. Unfortunately the number of people increases every year....

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#53 - 2011-12-22 15:42:37 UTC
how did nobody mock this idiot on the first page for not knowing literally the first thing about moon mining: you can't mine the same mineral twice on a single moon.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2011-12-22 15:45:21 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Also all R64s should be available via alchemy.


"let me offer my suggestions on how to radically rebalance a segment of the game I have absolutely no knowledge of, as evidenced by my calling for something that has been in the game for years"

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Hemmo Paskiainen
#55 - 2011-12-22 21:45:16 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
how did nobody mock this idiot on the first page for not knowing literally the first thing about moon mining: you can't mine the same mineral twice on a single moon.


ssst, dont tell ccp or they dont fix it wthin next year. funny though it took 640 vieuw before someone actualy noticed it Pirate

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?

Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#56 - 2011-12-22 22:29:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Scatim Helicon
Technetium is stupid and broken but having to moonscan the whole of eve every couple of months because the minerals switched again would be even more, and would solve none of the issues with it.

Also laffo at the idea that we have a Tech Cartel NIP whilst we've spent the whole week blowing up and stealing White Noise's moons in Branch.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
#57 - 2011-12-22 22:38:21 UTC
If a powerful group has taken all the moons, or several groups own them and have made some kind of pact, then what is broken? That is the very nature of eve, politics and military might in action. It may suck, and make it tough for anyone else to muscle in, but they've made it to that position by themselves.

If the income was distributed across other moons, they'd just take them too. If you want it, bundle up with a group of badasses, and coordinate attacks in many places at once, then share the wealth amongst your new cartel.

TLDR: HTFU
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#58 - 2011-12-22 22:41:46 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Technetium is stupid and broken but having to moonscan the whole of eve every couple of months because the minerals switched again would be even more, and would solve none of the issues with it.

Also laffo at the idea that we have a Tech Cartel NIP whilst we've spent the whole week blowing up and stealing White Noise's moons in Branch.


Oh- we're doing that for Tech? I thought that was just for fun.

*shrug* they didn't want Branch anyway Lol
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
#59 - 2011-12-22 23:04:53 UTC
I think a lot of you are missing a core point of real life and eve economy. The golden rule says "the one who has the gold, makes the rules".

Do you know how long have those moons producing those ammounts of isk been in the same hands? A long time is an anwser satisfactory for me...

Now imagine, what kind of money reserves those alliances got.

If you scatter the moons they will still be in the exact same hands... Hire a thousand or two thousand people to scan for those moons for the next month all over new eden? Whatever.... So what? They won't even blink throwing a 100m/h for those people.

And when they see where they are, they gonna own the system and you won't even dare to put a finger on the tech moon. Ther's no way you can stop this trend now, unless something becomes internally broken in the system.

It's like the USA and the hunt for oil. At all cost, everywhere, no matter the losses. Because it's worth it. Hire mercs? Sure... Send own troops? Not really, but also no problem.

If something can change the current situation it's the economical crysis, but I can't imagien what would have to happen to diminish the moon goo value, except making it easy accessible in huge quantities to everyone. And that is probably one of the worst ideas possible.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2011-12-22 23:34:56 UTC
Dr Karsun wrote:
I think a lot of you are missing a core point of real life and eve economy. The golden rule says "the one who has the gold, makes the rules".

Do you know how long have those moons producing those ammounts of isk been in the same hands? A long time is an anwser satisfactory for me...


bzzt wrong

the vast majority of tech moons changed hands in the collapse of the nc relatively recently

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.