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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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Jallukola
#3481 - 2015-02-22 11:08:37 UTC
Amusing how this change still spawns thread replies, ironic as my own post may be.

All posts and mails screencapped and time stamped, including out of EVE, you will not reverse on me.

Might come in handy!
Charadrass
Angry Germans
#3482 - 2015-02-22 12:34:05 UTC
and it will till ccp get the balls to the wall and tells whats up.
Jallukola
#3483 - 2015-02-22 15:36:58 UTC
^
Perharps, still delighted that normal alt-multitasking is green.

All posts and mails screencapped and time stamped, including out of EVE, you will not reverse on me.

Might come in handy!
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3484 - 2015-02-22 15:48:08 UTC
Jallukola wrote:
^
Perhaps, still delighted that normal alt-multitasking is green.

Wanna make a bet?
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#3485 - 2015-02-22 20:23:52 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them.

The Rules:
5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.

10. Posting of private CCP communication is prohibited.

The posting of private communication between the Game Masters, EVE Team members, Moderators, Administrators of the forums and forum users is prohibited. CCP respect the right of our players to privacy and as such you are not permitted to publicize private correspondence (including support ticket responses and emails) received from any member of CCP staff.aforementioned parties.

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ShadowandLight
Trigger Happy Capsuleers
#3486 - 2015-02-22 20:28:53 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them.[/i]


can you also ask CCP to come talk to its customers?

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ashley Eoner
#3487 - 2015-02-22 20:42:58 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Jallukola wrote:
^
Perharps, still delighted that normal alt-multitasking is green.

For now but I wouldn't bet on it lasting long as there is at least one CSM member who is so rabid at hating boxers that he considers having more then one account as cheating. Yes as in the same as botting etc. At least one CCP member seems to agree with him...

Dark times ahead in this game for everyone.

Even EFT, Evemon, and pyfa would be considered cheating too.



ShadowandLight wrote:
ISD Ezwal wrote:
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them.[/i]


can you also ask CCP to come talk to its customers?

Ha that's funny. You know they won't respond till they absolutely have to and in all likelihood it'll be a ham fisted and ill advised. Frankly based on CCP's history with stuff like this I almost prefer they NOT respond.
Drizzd
Opera Gomera Liquidate 03
#3488 - 2015-02-22 21:20:20 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Jallukola wrote:
^
Perharps, still delighted that normal alt-multitasking is green.

For now but I wouldn't bet on it lasting long as there is at least one CSM member who is so rabid at hating boxers that he considers having more then one account as cheating. Yes as in the same as botting etc. At least one CCP member seems to agree with him...


funny thing though that the CSM member you refer to admits using at least 3 accounts - thus breaking his own self-esteemed rules

Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#3489 - 2015-02-22 21:54:28 UTC
Jallukola wrote:
^
Perharps, still delighted that normal alt-multitasking is green.

"Multitasking" has never been an issue, whereas "multiboxing" doing the same thing now needs to be done at the same rate as everything else - In slow motion.
It seems the introduction of reduced jump ranges, fatigue and locking players into an area of space for a year at a time wasn't slowing the game down enough, so now multiboxing has been added to the list of "Eve in slow motion".

I wonder how the marketing dept will handle Eve's new direction.
Most games are working toward more and faster paced action, Eve has gone the opposite direction.
Interesting marketing ploy (if there is anything to market)


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  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
ashley Eoner
#3490 - 2015-02-22 22:07:02 UTC
Drizzd wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Jallukola wrote:
^
Perharps, still delighted that normal alt-multitasking is green.

For now but I wouldn't bet on it lasting long as there is at least one CSM member who is so rabid at hating boxers that he considers having more then one account as cheating. Yes as in the same as botting etc. At least one CCP member seems to agree with him...


funny thing though that the CSM member you refer to admits using at least 3 accounts - thus breaking his own self-esteemed rules


"rules are for thee not for me"
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3491 - 2015-02-22 22:42:51 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Jallukola wrote:
^
Perharps, still delighted that normal alt-multitasking is green.

"Multitasking" has never been an issue, whereas "multiboxing" doing the same thing now needs to be done at the same rate as everything else - In slow motion.
It seems the introduction of reduced jump ranges, fatigue and locking players into an area of space for a year at a time wasn't slowing the game down enough, so now multiboxing has been added to the list of "Eve in slow motion".

I wonder how the marketing dept will handle Eve's new direction.
Most games are working toward more and faster paced action, Eve has gone the opposite direction.
Interesting marketing ploy (if there is anything to market)

Fatigue Online is the new hotness.

I think someone already suggested login fatigue.

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ShadowandLight
Trigger Happy Capsuleers
#3492 - 2015-02-22 22:45:58 UTC  |  Edited by: ShadowandLight
I am starting to track CSM 10 Canidate positions on input duplication and multiboxing, please help me flesh out this list.

Posting in the dual-boxing.com thread or sending me a mail is the best way to communicate.

http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/52023-CSM-10-Canidate-Watch-Who-is-for-and-who-is-against-our-gameplay?p=396794#post396794

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Hilti Enaka
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#3493 - 2015-02-24 13:19:47 UTC
It's pretty clear. If you multibox you can't control them both from one client and one click.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3494 - 2015-02-24 16:39:19 UTC
Hilti Enaka wrote:
It's pretty clear. If you multibox you can't control them both from one client and one click.

At least *pretend* to read our posts before posting. Rollover and Round Robin are 1 click / action for 1 result each.
Kaphrah
Thats my BOI
#3495 - 2015-02-25 14:32:58 UTC
Trakow wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Trakow wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
With 4 monitors in a square, you can activate modules on each of them fairly fast if you simply stick to the corners in the center of the setup. So, banhammer.

Well there you go, so just do that. You just proved that you can play just as easily without using VideoFX, so why use it?


No, I just proved that player solutions can get you banned for playing EVE without the use of ISBoxer.


No, because CCP can see if you're running ISBoxer or not. I am a programmer and it's really easy to include a bit of code that sees what other processes are running, which can then be checked against a list of known software that is banned. It's also easy to find out which windows have focus, and if the focus changes without an ALT-TAB key combination or a mouse-click, that's also an easy way to find round-robin users. Or, alternatively, if the key press action is sent directly to another window, without the focus changing, which is also possible, then that's another red flag that round-robin is being used. It's too easy.

One example of being caught red-handed is the link someone posted a while back about an incursion player who got banned. He denied using ISBoxer/input broadcasting at first when he complained on the forum, but then later admitted that he was using VideoFX and round-robin. So it wasn't the input-broadcasting that got him caught, because he wasn't doing that. They obviously knew that he was using the software. I have yet to hear about someone getting banned for using ISBoxer when they actually weren't. And those that have been banned will of course deny using it even if they are, but I have yet to hear about someone getting their account unbanned after finding it was a false accusation.



so mister I know everything, if I am playing for example D3 with ISBoxer (yes, this is allowed), and have one or more eve clients in the background which I tab into from time to time, then I'd get banned following your logic. fantastic, why not check my computer for illegal downloads while we're at it?
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#3496 - 2015-02-25 14:59:10 UTC
Drizzd wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Jallukola wrote:
^
Perharps, still delighted that normal alt-multitasking is green.

For now but I wouldn't bet on it lasting long as there is at least one CSM member who is so rabid at hating boxers that he considers having more then one account as cheating. Yes as in the same as botting etc. At least one CCP member seems to agree with him...


funny thing though that the CSM member you refer to admits using at least 3 accounts - thus breaking his own self-esteemed rules



The average is two to three accounts per person in EVE. So the person you talk about is the same as the rest of us and he/she is in good company. On the other hand most of us don't afk multi-account using ISBoxer type software. Smile
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3497 - 2015-02-25 15:07:27 UTC
Bethan Le Troix wrote:
Drizzd wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Jallukola wrote:
^
Perharps, still delighted that normal alt-multitasking is green.

For now but I wouldn't bet on it lasting long as there is at least one CSM member who is so rabid at hating boxers that he considers having more then one account as cheating. Yes as in the same as botting etc. At least one CCP member seems to agree with him...

funny thing though that the CSM member you refer to admits using at least 3 accounts - thus breaking his own self-esteemed rules

The average is two to three accounts per person in EVE. So the person you talk about is the same as the rest of us and he/she is in good company. On the other hand most of us don't afk multi-account using ISBoxer type software. Smile


The only people AFK mult-accounting are those who use Skynet carriers. ISBoxer is not the same as a bot that does your work for you. You have to tell ISBoxer what to do for it to do anything at all.


Why am I suddenly reminded of The West Wing mini-arc where the White House staff have to keep telling the press and people that the President's version of MS is not the life-threatening version over and over?
ashley Eoner
#3498 - 2015-02-25 21:08:09 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Bethan Le Troix wrote:
The average is two to three accounts per person in EVE. So the person you talk about is the same as the rest of us and he/she is in good company. On the other hand most of us don't afk multi-account using ISBoxer type software. Smile


The only people AFK mult-accounting are those who use Skynet carriers. ISBoxer is not the same as a bot that does your work for you. You have to tell ISBoxer what to do for it to do anything at all.


Why am I suddenly reminded of The West Wing mini-arc where the White House staff have to keep telling the press and people that the President's version of MS is not the life-threatening version over and over?
Because people tend to be lazy which results in ignorance. I'm also guessing some of this is just trolling or propaganda attempts. You know in the hopes that some lazy people see their post and go OMG ISBOXER IS A BOT!!! /rageatccpinaticket...



Trakow wrote:
No, because CCP can see if you're running ISBoxer or not. I am a programmer and it's really easy to include a bit of code that sees what other processes are running, which can then be checked against a list of known software that is banned. It's also easy to find out which windows have focus, and if the focus changes without an ALT-TAB key combination or a mouse-click, that's also an easy way to find round-robin users. Or, alternatively, if the key press action is sent directly to another window, without the focus changing, which is also possible, then that's another red flag that round-robin is being used. It's too easy.

One example of being caught red-handed is the link someone posted a while back about an incursion player who got banned. He denied using ISBoxer/input broadcasting at first when he complained on the forum, but then later admitted that he was using VideoFX and round-robin. So it wasn't the input-broadcasting that got him caught, because he wasn't doing that. They obviously knew that he was using the software. I have yet to hear about someone getting banned for using ISBoxer when they actually weren't. And those that have been banned will of course deny using it even if they are, but I have yet to hear about someone getting their account unbanned after finding it was a false accusation.
Wow did I miss this post?

Clearly this is true as when Blizzard started using Warden to do exactly this every single bot and cheat disappeared from World of Warcraft. There's no advertisement for gold sites via floating level 1s. There's no bots running under maps to harvest/mine resource nodes. There certainly are no cheats or anything like that........




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH oh god help us if this dude really is a programmer.

As for the banning aspect at the end of your post all I can say is "you must be new......"
Shar Chang
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#3499 - 2015-02-25 23:25:54 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
If you are uncertain about your Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing use-case, please get in contact with us, as we would prefer to work with members of the community to come to an amicable resolution.

What category should we petition under?

As I previously posted, I'm uncertain what "Input Broadcasting" and "Input Multiplexing" mean; are they the same thing?

I can't find any useful answer via Google either.


EULA would be a good catergory Smile



I saw this post and opened a ticket as I had a question about some of the functionality in ISBoxer. The response I received was that I should go to this thread and post the question Big smile for an official CCP answer.

So, should I be asking it here or should the GM who has my ticket actually be responding to the question?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3500 - 2015-02-26 00:20:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
In some cases it seems they don't know (or pretend to not know) that they're supposed to give an answer**.

People have replied by sending them a link to the part saying to open a petition, but we don't know the ultimate response because, well sharing that would get you in trouble, so don't do it


**Unless that dev posted that to mean "make a petition and then just come back where you already know you won't get an answer"

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