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Neutrality and The Elsysion
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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#1 - 2015-02-21 20:07:08 UTC
Fellow Capsuleers
Some of you know me well, others only in passing.
For those of you who do not know me, I run a venue, called the Elysion.
It is my vision that this will become a neutral haven for all in new Eden to meet and mingle, regardless of affiliation or background. My only request is that arguments be left at the door. Violence, narcotics and uncivil behaviour will not be tolerated.
As part of this endeavour the venue now hosts a conference room. I hope that this will provide those of differing viewpoints a place to meet and discuss without threat of violence.
Those wishing to take up this offer should contact me or a member of my corporation, in order that arrangements may be made. All security at the venue will be arranged by my head of security.

Queen of Chocolate
Mystika Vendetta
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-02-21 21:51:33 UTC
Sounds interesting. I don't know you nor your Venue, but I'm already on my way to check it out and while my Buzzard autopilots I'll take the time to read some of your documentation.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#3 - 2015-02-22 09:28:43 UTC
Halcyon Ember wrote:
... narcotics ... will not be tolerated.


Not completely neutral and unbiased then.
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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#4 - 2015-02-22 09:54:31 UTC
I fail to see what my stance on narcotics has to do with my open policy of neutrality. There are plenty of places for you to indulge in such things and I'm sure you have places to sell them without needing to use my venue, thus asking people to indulge in nothing stronger than alcohol whilst on the premises is hardly compromising my neutrality.

Queen of Chocolate
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-02-22 12:25:00 UTC
As far as I have heard about Elysion, it is situated in a territory of occupants, and, speaking more, in the station, that is run by occupant Navy forces.

Taking into account invasive and obsessional tints of gallentean culture and management, I can't imagine being neutral in such installation.

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Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#6 - 2015-02-22 13:21:32 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
Halcyon Ember wrote:
... narcotics ... will not be tolerated.


Not completely neutral and unbiased then.

There is a difference between the flow of drugs and the flow of ideas.
Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#7 - 2015-02-22 14:13:02 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:


Taking into account invasive and obsessional tints of gallentean culture and management, I can't imagine being neutral in such installation.


This is exactly the sort of Bias I expect people to leave behind upon entering

Queen of Chocolate
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-02-22 14:27:43 UTC
Halcyon Ember wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:


Taking into account invasive and obsessional tints of gallentean culture and management, I can't imagine being neutral in such installation.


This is exactly the sort of Bias I expect people to leave behind upon entering

Ms. Ember, do you realise, that before entering Elysion you have to enter Federal Navy installation, correct?

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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#9 - 2015-02-22 14:32:11 UTC
I am aware. I have requested safe passage for those visiting. It is up to visitors to be able to restrain their baser impulses.

Queen of Chocolate
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-02-22 14:36:57 UTC
Ms. Ember...
This is a hostile military base.

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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#11 - 2015-02-22 14:45:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Halcyon Ember
Then you had best behave yourself, no?

Queen of Chocolate
Vechtor
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-02-23 02:38:29 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Ms. Ember...
This is a hostile military base.


I've to admit, this lady is perhaps the most coherent capsuleer I've ever seen. It doesn't matter into what she has this coherence, it is amazing how she keeps it. Props.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#13 - 2015-02-23 05:20:38 UTC
Funny, I've never known Kim to be shy about docking up in Fed Navy Stations.
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#14 - 2015-02-23 05:28:37 UTC
Vechtor wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Ms. Ember...
This is a hostile military base.


I've to admit, this lady is perhaps the most coherent capsuleer I've ever seen. It doesn't matter into what she has this coherence, it is amazing how she keeps it. Props.


It's a rather low hanging fruit Mr. Vechtor.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-02-23 07:15:34 UTC
Vechtor wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Ms. Ember...
This is a hostile military base.


I've to admit, this lady is perhaps the most coherent capsuleer I've ever seen. It doesn't matter into what she has this coherence, it is amazing how she keeps it. Props.


I believe you meant 'consistent'.

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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#16 - 2015-02-23 09:08:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Vechtor wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Ms. Ember...
This is a hostile military base.


I've to admit, this lady is perhaps the most coherent capsuleer I've ever seen. It doesn't matter into what she has this coherence, it is amazing how she keeps it. Props.


I believe you meant 'consistent'.


Oh I assure you, after all the ramblings in the summit channels the past few days, 'coherent' also fits.... We live in a dark universe...

That said, while true neutrality is impossible to achieve, Miss Halcyon Ember's venue is among the closest you'll find to being neutral, as she has shown during the Elysion Concerts, allowing capsuleers of a wide variety of background in, with the only cave-at they had to behave, a fair request.

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Vechtor
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-02-23 17:10:24 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:

I believe you meant 'consistent'.

No, in fact I meant coherent, which is among other definitions the "quality of being internally consistent".

Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on which kind of relationship you have with Ms. Kim...
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#18 - 2015-02-23 17:39:01 UTC
Halcyon Ember wrote:
[..] thus asking people to indulge in nothing stronger than alcohol whilst on the premises is hardly compromising my neutrality.
Except, several studies categorize Haroulle dryweed as being a milder drug than alcohol, particularly when it it comes to increasing aggressive behaviour in the user.

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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#19 - 2015-02-23 18:59:20 UTC
But I don't sell that, I do however sell alcohol.
It's an unfair universe but if nothing else no one's forcing other people to consume the alcohol.

Queen of Chocolate
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#20 - 2015-02-23 20:14:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizage
Che Biko wrote:
Halcyon Ember wrote:
[..] thus asking people to indulge in nothing stronger than alcohol whilst on the premises is hardly compromising my neutrality.
Except, several studies categorize Haroulle dryweed as being a milder drug than alcohol, particularly when it it comes to increasing aggressive behaviour in the user.


You are more than welcome to debate the merits of the Elysion's neutrality and the Medical/Social merits of Haroulle Dryweed but you will have to do it outside of the Elysion.

Frankly speaking Mr. Biko the Elysion serves alcohol. There is an expectation and awareness that patrons may drink, sometimes in excess. This is a silent contract we all mentally acknowledge upon entry. Loosening our rules to allowing an ever I creasing myriad of state-altering substances means the expected experience of patrons will change atmosphere of the Elysion. Ms. Ember had and still has a specific vision for her venue and it is entirely upto her what she allows inside and out.

Just because a substance is measured and weighed to be safer or less harmful does not mean that is the atmosphere Ms. Ember wishes to project. She has done her best to make this club as welcoming to "all" as she can, and that doesn't mean "you" it means "everyone."

Individual grievances are weighed against comfort of the whole, Mr. Biko, not the merit of the grievance.

That being said, you are welcome to join us again at the Elysion. Dryweed free of course, and discuss this further over a drink or something to eat.

Sincerely
K. Amsel
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