EVE General Discussion

There are use cases that were not explicity covered, and the exact nature of the detection methods were not released. There are also fair use cases that may cause false positives. These macro bans are handled automatically at each downtime, detected by the client. In this case, where judgement is meted out by machine, and the consequence is rather severe, it's just prudent to exercise caution and perform thorough testing first on Sisi, then on TQ.

Yes, there is an intense amount of CCP trying to suck up to the vocal minority and that minority then validating what CCP did. Many in that minority would never set foot in null, probably have never encountered a capital but were motivated, as you say, by laughing at those on the wrong end of a nerf. The EVE community is fickle and its doesn't help that we have a CSM which generally (not all of them) is more interested in being smug and tweeting about how important they are rather than representing the interests of the wider player base.

I would completely disagree with the fighting through gates to get where you need to go. Battles at gates happen fairly infrequently, its usually small camps which run away or get stragglers, at least in my experience. Fights happen over timers and the only fights in null right now around those are being deliberately kept at a low intensity and access via wormholes. Rolling holes is now much more relevant.

Sorry, I can't hear you over the entertaining campaign I've just enjoyed.

It came to an end when N3 decided to deply their full coalition down to Immensea for little ol' us, but that cost them a couple of supercap coathangerings back in Querious.

You know.

Exactly like it should.

So i'm going to call a big fat "working as intended".

The major sov holders are, as Endie correctly points out, waiting on the upcoming sov changes because there's not much point in launching major campaigns if there's a strong possibility that anything you gain might be invalidated. Essentially you're complaining about a guy getting open heart surgery, lying on the table with his chest cut open and saying "well he doesn't look much better to me".

Make it eas...uh....WORK RIGHT again CCP you dummies!

Expecting players to do the something at great expense to their wallets and their livelihood is a good formula for stagnation.

If this is what is intended, then the intentions were the problem.

Waiting for sov changes is an excuse, and the conflicts you are talking about (and that both of us have just participated in) are different than pre-jump fatigue gud fights how exactly? The only thing that changed was existing groups using wormholes more (which means a few more hilarious wormhole killmails).

CCP didn't say jump fatigue was a cure all I know, but they DID say they expected it to help (I'm serious I had a post of GreyScale's all bookmarked and ready and will never get to use it lol). It hasn't helped. It hurt and people can feel that, especially the alliances that are now having participation problems (a few of which are resorting to PAP LINKS lol).

The same thinking that led to jump fatigue will probably be applied to the sov changes. If that happens things are going to get worse. What's needed is new thinking (even if that leads to the total removal of SOV, because it's probably the idea of SOV itself that is at the heart of the 'problem').

Everyone is just waiting to switch to a healthier diet before they start their routine at the gym. Ever think about what bad excuses sound like? Waiting for SOV changes to start your gudfites in null is akin to waiting to undock until your skill points are high enough.

Expecting someone to behave in a completely different way, once they are accustomed to making risk averse rationalizations, is just wishful thinking.







Given the total lack of disclosure so far, as well as the typical CCP "surprise, here's what we cooked up" policy, my expectations of the SOV revamp are low.

Still, I have moments of awe and wonder at what CCP can pull off, so I hope I'm totally wrong here.

In both cases sold to some one else who wants to be the local police. On the flip side N3's renter empire is now most of the south. Blocs maybe waiting right now but isn't the only or main reason for the current boredom sweeping null.

"Sov fatigue" lol I typed those words in scc-lounge chat as a joke. That was a thing ever?

What is this drivel?

Jump Fatigue has made the game better.

• More small entities in null, not getting instantly curbstomped. More "room" for real players as big coalitions are hard pressed to hold such vast areas any more.
• Fights stay more local. Third partying doesn't involve dropping 100 supercaps unless you are REALLY committed to that (and whole EVE will see you coming, probably hours in advance).
• Well organized groups can still move around and throw their weight around as needed. See: PL deployment to I6- - went there and back, only lost a couple of caps to drive-by DDs (grrr Gorgon Empire) - practically nothing considering the amount of ships that moved. Move ops not really a big deal if you organize and plan everything carefully and have clued-in pilots who know how to not mess themselves with excess Fatigue (this bit is probably hard for Goons).
• EVE feels properly big again. Going beyond 20 jumps from your staging is something you actually have to plan a bit... no more "we'll just suitcase here with carriers and then hop 5 jumps to destination in subcaps and blap things".
• Plenty of fights available. Especially in low sec where small groups actually throw caps around these days (no more instant super surprise from Amamake 30 seconds after someone undocks a carrier).

Yeah, there is no huge-ass sov war going on right now, but that's mostly due to BL/Solar folding instantly and that operation turning into a bulldozing exercise.

Goons should ask from their glorious leader why there is no war for you. Perhaps you have too much blue around you. PL is fighting every day in a target-rich environment.