Crime & Punishment

Couldnt the exact same thing be said about the things you keep complaining about, such as Wardecs and Ganking?

I like how he says that he knows exactly what motivates me as a player, and how he knows exactly the way I would act in any particular situation or environment.


No, it can't. You see, those things are bad because they're hurting the players who don't want anything to do with interacting with other players, and are bad for the game.

He knows this because he's been playing for ten years.

It's an absolute counter, though. Even with ganking, you can fit defensively, but the gankers can still do it with damage numbers large enough. Leaving player-made corporations for NPC corporations, or even just reforming the player-made corporations every 1-2 days, negates wars entirely.

This is objectively untrue, though. There are so few players in non-highsec areas of space, and so few of them are what could be called "piracy targets," that it would be entirely impossible for the game's pirates to subsist outside of high-sec. Just because you found a decent target recently doesn't mean that that's the status quo. I don't know if you've read earlier in the thread, but this question has been asked before (and not answered by anyone, still): why should we go to low/null in order to try to scrape the bare edibles from the charred rims of the pot, when high-sec offers us what we want in satisfying, sustainable amounts?

The carebear lobby uses "the plight of the rookie" for their own selfish goals, to great effect. For example, if freighters suddenly stop being ganked, who benefits: the four-month-old rookie plinking away at the Veld rock in his badly-fit Mackinaw, or the five-year-old vet carrying eight billion worth of stuff in his Obelisk?

Awoxing was very similar in that regard. It wasn't the week-old-newbs getting ganked by turncoats, but the fat-boat deadspace CNR missioners. Yet the latter used the former to feed their arguments about the inherent "unfairness" within the system, despite never even considering recruiting newer players into their corporations. The biggest anti-awox supporters all sit in NPC corporations to avoid wars, because the NPC tax is very inconsequential for them, seeing as how very little high-sec income comes from bounties.

The biggest war dec'ers sit their alts in NPC corporations to make ISK as well, I'd wager. Who would know better how to avoid war then one who makes war for a living?

Are you kidding me? Who is at fault here, the CEO who did not inform and educate his members that an impending war was coming, and how to act accordingly, and/or the members who chose to ignore this information and lesson, and go out in their expensive 3 billion isk raven? Or the Game mechanics that sent them notice after notice, Telling every member in the corp "Hey, youre at war, heres a 24 hour notice before the war starts, maybe you should ask your CEO and/or find out what this is before it starts"?

I mean, if you were a new player, and were to get a mail out of the blue, a notification that a war is starting, wouldnt your first instinct be to ask "What the hell is a war? Whats gonna happen? Is it safe for me to fly my 3 bill raven out?"

I agree, New players get wardecced and many would quit within a few months because they lost a ship worth 3/4 of their entire assets. But so what. Thats not the games fault, thats the players. Im sure there are players who left after getting scammed. Im sure there are players who left after being ganked. You cant have a game that caters to everyone.

Clearly CCP believe that people are rejecting players based on the ability to be awoxed, and while some players on this forum will kicks and scream and tell you it isn't true, I've seen that first hand myself. Nobody however is claiming that noobs are being awoxed left right and centre.

Look up one of Feyds many threads about how EVE is dying because of this change. And very frequently. I'm not going to dig around looking for threads, because quite honestly I can't be bothered to only for you to repeatedly state that none count for :reasons:. I've learned my lesson trying to provide evidence for you types, and it's a waste of time, since you're adamant that no ganker has ever complained about anything, while "the carebears" are the bane of EVE.

Of course they have things they can do, they are just too lazy to do them. They'd rather CCP change the game to make it nearly impossible for groups such as the CFC to hold space in the first place, that way they don;t need to fight for it. So excuse me if I have no sympathy when tiny mechanics are removed from your playstyle, considering mine won't exist in a few months.

If changes are made, chances are they will affect what someone will class a core mecahnic. I don;t know of a change that has ever come though which hasn't had someone complaining about it. Overall I think what we lose with the awox change affects a very small group of people and is well worth it for the benefit it gives. You're right, I'd never agree to PvP being removed from highsec, so when the day comes CCP suggest it, expect me to be on your side. For this though, I'm not going to lose any sleep over such a small change which to be fair is years overdue.

No, but it shows how messed up the system s highsec is. It's the industrial powerhouse of the game, and making an industrial group even half the size of some highsec PvP groups would be committing suicide. I'd prefer to see CCP revamping the entire wardec system, so corps can better compete in their own way. It being just a concord off switch simply means that any group not focusing on PvP is doomed to failure or forced to maintain a size and reputation that keeps them insignificant, because the moment they are large of famous they are a target.

The point is that when a newbie joins he doesn't know, so the only groups willing to recruit him are run by people with no clue what they are doing, which recruits everyone until one of it's directors gets himself awoxed. This change means there half a chance that a decent corp will recruit a newbie instead, and it's a minimal loss. Only the easiest form of awoxing is gone, there's a whole array of things you can still do to a corp. A list was in an earlier post of mine and you can see the response to it, which is basically "waah, too much effort".

Would you like to present that data? IF you actually listen to what they said last fanfest, the actual amount of people that quit isn't really given. It's a very broad statement that "most" of that particular group leave. But that group is 4 times bigger than the "group play" segment to start with, so even if 75% of the "level my raven" players leave, and none of the "group play" players do, they are still keeping the same number of players playing. CCP haven't clarified those figures anywhere I've seen yet.

Oh well. There were many ways for me to get around my home a few months ago, and now there's just one, slowboating. We all make sacrifices for the greater good.