EVE General Discussion

I spent a long time living in Hophib and Fob before moving to a wormhole... I wholeheartedly agree. low sec needs help. it has nothing to offer that high sec has to offer and is second in riskiness only to WH space.

In this thread you have a collection of panzi-candi-a$$ gankers who cant make it pvping so they shoot things with no highslots, and null-sec dwellers that want to pretend they don't live in the blue donut of wealth... sad really, now that we are on the topic they are saying somethings that completely contradict their argument for hyperdunking and ganking in the first place.

Does this mean the Bowheads (Orca etc) that aid in the criminal actions will start become flagged so we can defend ourselves from them?

Here is the rub in the loot scooping exploit the person dragging the stuff and dropping it does go suspect. However if CCP were to set it that the Orca pilot want suspect if a fleet member dropped a suspect package into the ship then this would just create a whole new set of ganks. Mechanics are always going to be exploited. This is the same as making bumping a suspect affect, you can imagine the number of people getting bumped so as to kill stuff.

The key part is "IF they are criminally flagged"

Spoken like a politician that

As I said before the mechanics of catching someone have been adjusted to make it easier to catch people, for me the D-scan immunity was a step too far, I accepted the rest as at least being logical, though the hole mechanism changing was a bad move in my opinion too.


Finally certain Russian players had gone on a freighter killing spree, they have now switched their attention to mission runners around Osmon and yes baltec1 marauders have been destroyed.

One of my contacts lost a Rattlesnake during the week, the previous week he lost his Legion in low sec to the D-scan immunity, so had given up on that way to make ISK. This guy goes into lowsec and null to do solo and small gang PvP which is now an issue for him because you need income to fund the PvP, as he normally gets blobbed and loses the ship, he used to do relic sites in Stain, but that was removed from him too.

Do people want guys like him to do real PvP or not in this game?

Technically a POS shoot isn't real PVP even though it is against Player Assets. Unless it is actively defended of course.

But that would be the literal definition of not real PVP... the AI playing the game legally for the player.

I disagree, the PvE activities that support PvP are no harder today than they were 5 years ago. I'm a highsec PvE player for the most part, I've lost exactly one ship while doing PvE to another player in highsec since 2009, and that was because I foolishly engaged a can flipper in my first week of playing.

Ganking is considerably harder to carry out successfully than it was when I started to play. CODE. and MiniLuv have had to become extremely professional in their execution, they've had to essentially industrialise and perfect the art of ganking in order to carry on playing Eve in the way that they wish to.

Not getting ganked has become considerably easier, most of it is common sense combined with a minimal knowledge of game mechanics. It wouldn't happen nearly as much if people paid attention and didn't engage in stupidity like afking a multi billion isk freighter through a chokepoint.

If you're looking to apportion blame for the current tactics used by gankers that enable them to play the game in the manner that they want to, while remaining within the rules; you need look no further than people that can't be bothered to protect themselves who constantly call for ganking to be nerfed into oblivion, they are what has led to the current state of affairs.

Real PvP as you define it is extremely limited in scope, everything in Eve is essentially a PvP activity, or designed to fuel PvP activity. The ganking of overloaded afk freighters and afk miners is as much real PvP as shooting an opposing fleet in the face, it's just on a different battleground.

Some gankers engage in what is traditionally known as commerce raiding, others are engaged in straight forward piracy or privateering. Most, if not all, of their activities fall under the labels of economic warfare or guerilla warfare, both of which are time honoured, sometimes indirect, methods of waging war.

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Thread reopened.

Remove the Orca pilots ability to eject ships.

If Orca let suspect or criminal eject or board ship, Orca gets flag.

There, wasn't so hard.

No...

Orca Pilot set Green = Suspect or Criminal being denied by game servers access to the hanger.

Simple

I fully support this idea

And like always you fail to read what others said, I was pointing out things that made it easier to catch people in normal 0.0 and NPC 0.0 space. This then went on to a discussion on how much safer Goon Deklin was in comparison to Osmon. Nothing to do with MTU's and stuff like that, we are talking about PvP effects.

I detailed the changes in game that made it easier for player killers to catch people and then asked where did we see real things that made hisec safer from ganking, in fact there was one using a Skiff and Procurer which can only be ganked with a special effort and the willingness to lose ISK, but it can be done, so is not safe.

I am not comparing PvE now to the PvE in the past.

In fact while you are PvE'ing I have been getting involved shooting freighter gankers and if you check my killboard you will find me blowing up Globby, so waffle on about how leet you are at PvE it matters not.

EDIT: Also the context of that post is ignored I was talking about a player who was doing exploration in Stain, he found people camping the exploration sites, so he went into 0.0 and low sec and was was doing combat sites and got blown up in his Legion due to D-scan immunity, so then he went to do some missions in hisec and had his Rattlesnake blown up by a load of Russians in thrashers.

EDIT I don't want to get into an off topic slanging match with this poster, so to the moderators, its not fair to have this thrown at me when its so out of context.

I should point out that I have been enjoying this hyperdunking a lot as before freighters were not being attacked in my TZ and now they are and I can play against that so am having fun.

EDIT FOR BALTEC1 See that 20% reduction in PvP in Deklin after Phoebe, there you go stark evidence...

What kind of world would alot a clone with a consistent criminal record to be reactivated, at least without some kind of imprisonment?

Hyper dunking can work both ways.