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Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

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#1501 - 2015-02-20 23:14:39 UTC | Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald

Demerius Xenocratus wrote:

Kills should require risk and effort. Highsec pvp currently expects little to none of wardec spammers.

That's the fault of the people living there, not the mechanic of wardecs. The mechanic itself is in fact highly weighted in favor of the defender.

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The fact that you repeatedly deny this makes me think your sole interest is in CCP subsidized content for your playstyle.

Says the carebear....

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I look at you and your associates' killboards and I laugh. Most of you hardly even log on.

Mine? Yeah, this character's killboard sucks, he's a logi pilot. As for how often I log in, lately you are correct, but that's largely a result of my wife having been hospitalized late last year. The game takes a backseat to real life.

But hey, any more ad hominem? Or are you actually going to try and argue the point?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Dracvlad

Taishi Combine

Astral Alliance

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#1502 - 2015-02-20 23:22:10 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

Market McSelling Alt wrote:

Check the daily kill logs in Osmon... people get scanned down and ganked every day.

Now look at the 41 carriers we have lost in our space this month alone. Chances of getting ganked is so small you can run hundreds of thousands of missions before it might happen.

Goons are using carriers, can you have a little word with Jenn, she seems a bit confused about what people use in CFC space, I am not, I had one of my scouts in Deklin earlier and all I saw was carriers, not a single Macherial, what is she smoking?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Market McSelling Alt

Doomheim

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#1503 - 2015-02-20 23:32:04 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

Market McSelling Alt wrote:

Check the daily kill logs in Osmon... people get scanned down and ganked every day.

Now look at the 41 carriers we have lost in our space this month alone. Chances of getting ganked is so small you can run hundreds of thousands of missions before it might happen.

Market McSelling Alt wrote:

Yes, you will get strings of bad missions, everyone does and they either use their standings buffer or wait out the timer.

No you dont. We can dump the bad ones and have our standings be stable.

Market McSelling Alt wrote:

Yes your Mach has about 40k ehp[/quote[

And 1k+ firepower with a fast align time and a rep. They wont bother you unless you are stuipd and fit nothing but pimp.

[quote=Market McSelling Alt]
You didn't give us numbers for a Mach, you gave us numbers for a Mach with an Ascendancy implant set that costs 3bil... Stop playing stupid forum games.

So your using a carrier without ascendancy impants and think you can earn good money? Its also highsec, you have to actively try to lose a pod there.

Oh no, not 41 carriers (some of which consensual pvp) in your whole space!!!

295 Marauders in Osmon system alone... what were you saying?

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Paranoid Loyd

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#1504 - 2015-02-20 23:35:12 UTC | Edited by: Paranoid Loyd

Market McSelling Alt wrote:

295 Marauders in Osmon system alone... what were you saying?

WTF are talking about? The last marauder death was January 30th, learn to read a KB FFS. 8 were killed in January and none have been killed this month. Of the eight killed in January, 5 were ganks. 295 all time is an insignificant stat.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

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#1505 - 2015-02-20 23:35:55 UTC | Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald

Market McSelling Alt wrote:

Oh no, not 41 carriers (some of which consensual pvp) in your whole space!!!

295 Marauders in Osmon system alone... what were you saying?

That the difference between losing a ship in fundamentally dangerous space and fundamentally safe space shows a huge gap in player skill?

[edit: And then there's the above. Much amusement.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#1506 - 2015-02-20 23:50:23 UTC

Market McSelling Alt wrote:

Oh no, not 41 carriers (some of which consensual pvp) in your whole space!!!

None of which consensual. This is before we get into the hundreds of ishtars that die.

Market McSelling Alt wrote:

295 Marauders in Osmon system alone... what were you saying?

Oh we are going to play with every marauder ever recorded on the KB for that system now are we? Oh you didnt know that?

Yea the number of marauders ganked in osmon this month is zero.

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Valterra Craven Likes received: 606	#1507 - 2015-02-20 23:57:00 UTC Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Do you even play the game? I hate, I mean I truly despise the PvE activity in this game and even I know better than this. Likely more than you do. But prove me wrong. I like data. It makes my play better.

Demerius Xenocratus

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#1508 - 2015-02-20 23:58:39 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

Demerius Xenocratus wrote:

LP/ISK conversion is terrible on everything except SoE probe launchers and I've been told, certain Thukker items. This talk about mission LP being such great income is nonsense. Conversion rate on the probe launchers is about 1600 ISK/lp last I checked; most other items don't break 1000. The damage mods which require large numbers of extremely expensive tags are absolutely terrible investments.

I invite someone to show me an item that breaks 2000 lp/isk without extensive manipulation.

Sisters Combat Scanner Probe = 2182.7

Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher = 2259.7

Mid-grade Virtue Beta = 2560.1

Caldari Navy Warfare Mindlink = 2416.2

Zainou 'Snapshot' FOF Explosion Radius FR-1003 = 2218.3

Imperial Navy Energized Explosive Membrane = 2920.6

Zainou 'Snapshot' FOF Explosion Radius FR-1003 = 2218.3

A great number have 2K+ isk/LP

I said that don't require extensive market manipulation. That includes playing .01 games in station. You get about 2k on the SoE items from buy orders. I stand corrected on that; that's a reasonably good rate. The rest require serious .01 games so a dedicated station gaming alt is the only way to make it work. The FOF implants don't sell and the buy orders are at 1.5m, and the imperial navy EENM is a fluke that probably won't sell because it has the exact same stats as a dark blood EENM which sells for 2.6M.

Paper conversion rate is meaningless, you ignore a host of other factors that affect your ability to actually get a good conversion.

2K isk/lp for certain SoE items is the best you'll get without serious .01 warfare and I was slightly off on my numbers there. I don't have full market skills so I lose money on transaction costs.

Demerius Xenocratus

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#1509 - 2015-02-21 00:02:50 UTC

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Demerius Xenocratus wrote:

Kills should require risk and effort. Highsec pvp currently expects little to none of wardec spammers.

That's the fault of the people living there, not the mechanic of wardecs. The mechanic itself is in fact highly weighted in favor of the defender.

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The fact that you repeatedly deny this makes me think your sole interest is in CCP subsidized content for your playstyle.

Says the carebear....

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I look at you and your associates' killboards and I laugh. Most of you hardly even log on.

I don't know if you can look at my killboard and call me a carebear.

As for the ad hominem - the kills you guys put up are relevant to my argument. Cannibal Kane's kb for the past few months is mostly proteus vs barge or shitfit tech 1s.


Demerius Xenocratus The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 815	#1510 - 2015-02-21 00:05:52 UTC 1 And I get tired of arguing with alts.

Market McSelling Alt

Doomheim

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#1511 - 2015-02-21 00:07:00 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

Market McSelling Alt wrote:

Oh no, not 41 carriers (some of which consensual pvp) in your whole space!!!

None of which consensual. This is before we get into the hundreds of ishtars that die.

Market McSelling Alt wrote:

295 Marauders in Osmon system alone... what were you saying?

Oh we are going to play with every marauder ever recorded on the KB for that system now are we? Oh you didnt know that?

Yea the number of marauders ganked in osmon this month is zero.

Ok, well since we were talking about Machariels anyways, there was 218 of them killed in Jita so far this month... But if you say so. By the way, got a link to pve fit carriers killed in Goonswarm space, because your killboard doesnt allow for that level of customized search.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#1512 - 2015-02-21 00:07:30 UTC

Demerius Xenocratus wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Demerius Xenocratus wrote:

Everything requires .01 games.

baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#1513 - 2015-02-21 00:09:10 UTC

Market McSelling Alt wrote:

Jita isnt a mission system or on par with anything else in EVE. Also you can find those carriers the same way I did.

baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#1514 - 2015-02-21 00:11:41 UTC

Demerius Xenocratus wrote:

Carebear is a state of mind. Also, its not smart to start calling out the likes of Cannibal Kane.

Market McSelling Alt

Doomheim

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#1515 - 2015-02-21 00:19:27 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

Market McSelling Alt wrote:

Jita isnt a mission system or on par with anything else in EVE. Also you can find those carriers the same way I did.

Yeah I see 16 carrier loses for your whole alliance for the month, including 13 of them in pvp.

But I am sure you are talking about renters... by the way, why do people rent that terrible null sec anyways that makes so much less than highsec Roll

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Herzog Wolfhammer

Sigma Special Tactics Group

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#1516 - 2015-02-21 00:24:05 UTC

Market McSelling Alt wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Market McSelling Alt wrote:

Jita isnt a mission system or on par with anything else in EVE. Also you can find those carriers the same way I did.

Must be the ISK they are making. Unless they didn't get the memo that all the ISK was in highsec.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#1517 - 2015-02-21 00:31:00 UTC

Market McSelling Alt wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Market McSelling Alt wrote:

Jita isnt a mission system or on par with anything else in EVE. Also you can find those carriers the same way I did.

So you don't even know about the CFC. Do you know anything about this game?

Demerius Xenocratus

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#1518 - 2015-02-21 03:51:02 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

Demerius Xenocratus wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Demerius Xenocratus wrote:

Everything requires .01 games.

As I said one can currently do about 2000 ISK/LP selling certain SoE items to buy orders, which is pretty good. Obviously there is an extremely high demand for SoE scanning equipment.

But .01 games aside some of the items you listed simply don't sell. High sell orders is not the only factor that must be considered when choosing conversion items.

Demerius Xenocratus

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#1519 - 2015-02-21 03:57:31 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

Demerius Xenocratus wrote:

Carebear is a state of mind. Also, its not smart to start calling out the likes of Cannibal Kane.

He doesn't appear to play anymore, unless it's on an alt. I heard he sold that character.

Regardless, someone who slaughters newbies in a proteus doesn't faze me. And I'm immune to wardecs unless one is in faction warfare. He's welcome to come to lowsec!

I'm not sure how you define "carebear" then. I lose a lot of ships. I can only do the ISK grinding thing so long before I have to go die in a glorious explosion. In my mind the true carebears are those who enjoy playing duck hunter on hub undocks.

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flakeys Doomheim Likes received: 3,311	#1520 - 2015-02-21 21:54:08 UTC 1 One has to wonder why we rarely get people from low-sec complaining about risk vs reward , since we are talking about the most utterly **** risk vs reward in that part of space.... Ow sorry nevermind that , sorry i'm actually making sense , let's keep the high-sec vs null-sec income going ... We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

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