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From Tutorial to Wormhole

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ficr
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-02-21 18:50:50 UTC
So I'm a new player and I was doing the explorer tutorial when my probes found a wormhole.

I bookmarked my way in and out and took a quick peek into the -1 system. I haven't even ventured into low sec yet!

I head back and refit to mine but found I couldn't mine anything with sleepers everywhere. Remember I'm a new player!

So I refit again and scan down the system and fine a data site. I tried my "civilian data analyzer" but it refused to work. So I head back and buy the "data analyzer".

Success and inside I find why people complain about the data site loot. I drop my loot off at base and head on back to the next. This one was more complicated and exploded. I was going nowhere fast with the 3rd one when thankfully a player took me out.

I wasn't worried about d-scan because I'm a new player and this wormhole stuff is way way down the line for me. All she got was a rookie ship, data analyzer and small armor repairer.

Lesson learned was to demote maximizing the hacking training after seeing the loot from a data wormhole.
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#2 - 2015-02-21 19:04:25 UTC
unfortunately the supply of data loot greatly exceeds its demand, and I expect itll only keep getting cheaper. As a new player I am sure you wouldnt feel the same way but CCP made data sites too easy, and they increased the loot spawn. The result of which was a flooded market. Most people dont even give wormhole data/relic sites a second glance anymore, theyre not worth the time or risk.

Event Organizer of EVE North East

ficr
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-02-21 19:15:08 UTC
ExookiZ wrote:
unfortunately the supply of data loot greatly exceeds its demand, and I expect itll only keep getting cheaper. As a new player I am sure you wouldnt feel the same way but CCP made data sites too easy, and they increased the loot spawn. The result of which was a flooded market. Most people dont even give wormhole data/relic sites a second glance anymore, theyre not worth the time or risk.


There's something else besides data and relic sites? I thought relic was the "good" one and data the "bad" one.
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#4 - 2015-02-21 19:46:00 UTC
well it is all relative to what you consider "worth it", but the time required for the little payout is above what I would bother doing. Even relic sites aren't "good" enough usually.

Event Organizer of EVE North East

Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#5 - 2015-02-21 20:52:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph Essael
They introduced Nullsec Data and Relic sites to wormholes very recently. The thing about wormhole income is that normal K-Space (known space: Hisec, Lowsec, Nullsec) data and relic sites are not that great for income for the more seasoned wormholer.

However, as you are a new player, for you running the Sleeper sites are out of the question, (I will get onto why in the next paragraph) but running Data and Relic sites is actually very good income for someone with your skills. Only concentrate on the Data / Relic sites that have a pirate faction in their name (Angel, Guristas, Serpentis, Blood Raider, Sansha) the other types are Sleeper sites and have sleepers in them. For you, the reward far benefits the risk. You have a small ship and probably an empty clone, even still keeping an eye on D-Scan is still worth it. Nullsec sites only spawn in low class wormholes (C1 - C3) use this site to know what kind of hole you're in. Use in game browser and trust it and voilà it tells you some useful information.

Sleeper sites. These are hard and depending on the class of wormhole get progressively harder. C1 being the easiest and C6 requiring a capital ship and support. C1-C3 can be solo'd by pilots with good skills in a ship such as a Battlecruiser (Drake) and / or a T3 Strategic Cruiser (Tengu is arguably the best for this). Combat sites are relatively easy however the Data / Relic sites are roughly the same difficult of the combat sites of the hole class above. So a C2 Data site is roughly as hard as a C3 combat site. To run these sites support skills are needed. Support skills are things like Engineering skills, Gunnery or Missile skills and Shields / Armour. Just because you can sit in a ship doesn't mean you can fly it well.

For now keep at what you're doing. No harm in running the Data and Relics in low class holes. Wormholes are a great place to be but they are not meant for new pilots, you can potentially get very bored very quickly and then lose interest in them. Concentrate on support skills and ship skills and then when you're ready maybe look for a corp in a low class wormhole to get you into them properly. Scanning skills and cloaking (preferably Covert Ops) is a must.


ExookiZ wrote:
well it is all relative to what you consider "worth it", but the time required for the little payout is above what I would bother doing. Even relic sites aren't "good" enough usually.

I have to disagree with ExookiZ here. He states "the little payout is above what I would bother doing". This might be true for him as he has been in wormholes a long time and is owner of a large wormhole Corporation that can run Capital escalations and earn a lot of ISK doing so. For yourself, a new player that has very little skills, day tripping into different holes for the Relic and Data sites can be very profitable.

I must stress that living in a wormhole and running the Sleeper sites is not for new players. It can be done, but it is rather difficult and can take a long time. The time - ISK is not that great until you can run the sites quickly, minimising your time you are on grid with the sleepers.

The only other thing to note is Sleepers aren't the most dangerous thing in wormhole space, that would be us. Most people will shoot first and ask questions later. But by the sounds of it you have already had that Big smile

I would advice first checking out the hole. Warp to planets and POCO's (customs offices) at range (not moons) and scan for towers, force fields or ships. This way you can get a feel for the system and see if its worth dropping probes and scanning. Always bookmark the entrance and always make safe spots (Ctrl + B mid warp and safe a safe).

Welcome to wormholes.

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."

JakeNicholson
Last Possible Solution
#6 - 2015-02-23 02:51:36 UTC
Do whatever you enjoy. The loot can be interesting. I am an occasional player (started in 2007 but only 12 mil sp right now) and I find that the loot is some times exceptional (recently got a guristas tower blueprint that was worth around 950 mil). You can spend a few hours finding nothing, then hit pay dirt. As far as I am concerned, the thrill of avoiding detection and death beats doing identical level 4 missions over and over. Nullsec is relatively safe in a ship that is able to cloak, if you aren't too greedy, distracted or don't **** the natives. Actually, it can even be fun to **** the natives. Taunt them a bit in local, watch them disrupt all gates and then warp out after a couple of days, right after the server restarts.
T0SHI KONI
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2015-02-23 08:20:56 UTC  |  Edited by: T0SHI KONI
If you enjoy the data/relic sites, by all means do them. I've found that the real burn out generator in the game is loosing interest. This has an early onset when the only thing you worry about is isk per hour payout. Have fun with the game but if you are worried about income and you find interest in wormholes. Get into gas mining. Get your venture and train the skill GAS CLOUD HARVESTING and huff gas. It is better isk per hour with less work. Just remember to use the web site eve-survival and look under the Ladar sites to see the different sleeper types.

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpace

The ordinary sites have sentry turrets that are spawned as soon as you land in the site. All other sites have a random spawn timer that ranges from 15-25 minutes.

Just remember to spam D-Scan regularly. Its a life saver.
Valder Ripley
Event Horizon Excavations
#8 - 2015-02-23 08:37:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Valder Ripley
ExookiZ wrote:
Most people dont even give wormhole data/relic sites a second glance anymore, theyre not worth the time or risk.


In EVE the term "worth or not worth" depends 100% on yourself.

Because:
JakeNicholson wrote:
Do whatever you enjoy.


If making ISK the only term for yourself, then - ehhhm…. have… fun? Ugh



ficr wrote:
[quote=ExookiZ]There's something else besides data and relic sites? I thought relic was the "good" one and data the "bad" one.


Yesterday evening I found in 0.0 a lot of data sites with exclusively garbage - and ONE relic site with 30 Mio ISK.
So, everything depends on luck if you´re an explorer.

I recommend: don´t ignore ANY site. You could miss an unexpected good one Blink


And, btw, if you´re an explorer - enjoy the galaxy!
ISK or not ISK, that´s not the question.
Once if you have seen so much beauty in space, sometimes ISK becomes literally meaningless Bear

Do not go gentle into that good night,

though wise men at their end know dark is right,

rage, rage against the dying of the light.