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Where has all the solo PvP gone?

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#41 - 2015-02-20 22:57:06 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

What's the second M in MMO again?

I don't think it stands for Solo.



A solo player can beat a whole corp. Indeed solo players have been known to defeat multiple corps at once!

I'm guessing multiple players are involved?

No, I think you are just missing Sibyyl's point a bit.

She wasn't saying there is no solo, just that complaining about the lack of solo in an MMO doesn't make much sense.
Marsha Mallow
#42 - 2015-02-20 23:04:16 UTC
Sisohiv wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:
People who appreciate solo content came to the forum, were told to leave EVE, they aren't welcome.

So they did.


Did they?


Some left the content, others left the game entirely. Either way you are left with the blobs and that second M in MMO. Funny thing about the second M in MMO though, try account sharing, see where it gets you.

At least one of those Ms is 'muppet'.

There are soloers top of various killboards ingame, go get em OP. If it's blobby or quiet where you are, move.

There's also a few solo PVP channels floating about ingame, loads of blogs and plenty of youtube vids kicking about. Solo is only dead if you're a lazy sod who expects people to come to you.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#43 - 2015-02-21 00:16:52 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

What's the second M in MMO again?

I don't think it stands for Solo.



A solo player can beat a whole corp. Indeed solo players have been known to defeat multiple corps at once!

I'm guessing multiple players are involved?

No, I think you are just missing Sibyyl's point a bit.

She wasn't saying there is no solo, just that complaining about the lack of solo in an MMO doesn't make much sense.


And you are missing my point, that there is no lack of solo.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#44 - 2015-02-21 00:17:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Renegade Heart wrote:
And you are missing my point, that there is no lack of solo.

No, not at all. I know there is a lot of solo.
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#45 - 2015-02-21 00:19:45 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
And you are missing my point, that there is no lack of solo.

No, not at all. I know there is a lot of solo.

Totally different point.


I disgree with any point you are making (whatever that is, I don't really care though).

If I see players implying that you can't solo in EvE I will challenge it. The post I replied to implied that.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#46 - 2015-02-21 00:22:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Renegade Heart wrote:
If I see players implying that you can't solo in EvE I will challenge it. The post I replied to implied that.

Except that's not what Sibyyl was saying.

But epeening is boring. Is kind of silly.
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#47 - 2015-02-21 00:25:14 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Except that's not what Sibyyl was saying.

But epeening is boring. Is kind of silly.


You don't say something when you imply it.

If you think Sibyyl was implying something other than solo play in EvE being a bad idea, then I respect your view, but disagree. Solo play can be fun.

Epeen what?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#48 - 2015-02-21 00:33:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Renegade Heart wrote:
Epeen what?

Just the silly one upmanship:

Renegade Heart wrote:
I disgree with any point you are making (whatever that is, I don't really care though).

Disagreeing with a point you even agree that you don't understand.

But I'm epeening too and it's boring and off topic.

Feel free to keep misinterpreting the original comment all you like. Yes, solo pvp is fun.
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#49 - 2015-02-21 00:35:39 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Epeen what?

Just the silly one upmanship:

Renegade Heart wrote:
I disgree with any point you are making (whatever that is, I don't really care though).

Disagreeing with a point you don't even understand.

But I'm epeening too and it's boring and off topic.

Feel free to keep misinterpreting the original comment all you like. Yes, solo pvp is fun.


I understand everything that Sibyll implied. I don't understand your point so I have no choice but to disagree with you.
Marsha Mallow
#50 - 2015-02-21 00:41:38 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
A solo player can beat a whole corp. Indeed solo players have been known to defeat multiple corps at once!
I'm guessing multiple players are involved?

Renegade Heart wrote:
You don't say something when you imply it.
Solo play can be fun.
Epeen what?

Renegade Heart wrote:
Also no matter how big the blobs might be getting there are still tons of players killing things on their own. Solo PvP is far from dead. Maybe it's just too hard for some nowadays?


You're trolling yourself there, smartarse

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2015-02-21 00:41:46 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

What's the second M in MMO again?

I don't think it stands for Solo.



A solo player can beat a whole corp. Indeed solo players have been known to defeat multiple corps at once!

I'm guessing multiple players are involved?


The solo players that beat entire corps don't make posts on GD about the death of solo PVP.

People that make posts on GD about the death of solo PVP should go find friends, since obviously they're not able to hold their own.

Make sense?

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#52 - 2015-02-21 00:42:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Renegade Heart
Marsha Mallow wrote:
You're trolling yourself there, smartarse


If you think so Big smile

Sibyyl wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

What's the second M in MMO again?

I don't think it stands for Solo.



A solo player can beat a whole corp. Indeed solo players have been known to defeat multiple corps at once!

I'm guessing multiple players are involved?


The solo players that beat entire corps don't make posts on GD about the death of solo PVP.

People that make posts on GD about the death of solo PVP should go find friends, since obviously they're not able to hold their own.

Make sense?



Perhaps instead of implying that eve was not a game for solo pvpers you could have instead given constructive advice in the first place?
jurgen b
Papal Zouaves
#53 - 2015-02-21 02:21:32 UTC
i joined FW and when roaming in low system sites you can find descent 1v1 fights, at least i can find them.
and if i can't find them, i park myself in a plex and often a good fight comes to me.

look, this is what i do, i concider those plex sites as little prostitute vitrines, you place yourself behind the window untill a costumer flies by and want some fun. you just play tha little ***** in a plex and sell yourself for a fight, once people know that, you get a happy flow of costumers and returning costumers all in for a good fight.



anyone get the idea behind it?
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#54 - 2015-02-21 03:43:39 UTC
I don't FW but I find 1v1 fights in LS all the time. Even more if I don't care about having a snowball's chance of winning.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2015-02-21 04:37:36 UTC
Dun'Gal wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Too much ambiguity and variations in SP's for me and other friends I've talked to regarding pvp and solo fights. There needs to be some bench mark or level system in regards to a players points. Yes a dude with 70 million SP will rofl stomp the dude with 7million. With damage modifiers maxed out along with general resists (defenses) maxed out, why bother as a new player? Stroke the veterans ego? No thanks!

i.e for every 10 million sp you earn you'd gain a level. Just an idea?😗

Or you could learn to play and understand how SP actually works. Wherein a newish 7mil sp player invested into there ship of choice is equivellant to a 70 mil sp character invested into the same because you can only invest so much into each ship.


What about the 100M SP character with 30M SP invested in his ship of choice vs the 5M SP character?
That diversionary argument grows tiresome. There are lots of people in FW with nearly perfect subcap skills, and it does matter.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2015-02-21 04:38:41 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

What's the second M in MMO again?

I don't think it stands for Solo.



A solo player can beat a whole corp. Indeed solo players have been known to defeat multiple corps at once!

I'm guessing multiple players are involved?


The solo players that beat entire corps don't make posts on GD about the death of solo PVP.

People that make posts on GD about the death of solo PVP should go find friends, since obviously they're not able to hold their own.

Make sense?



Because they don't exist.
jurgen b
Papal Zouaves
#57 - 2015-02-21 05:33:50 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Dun'Gal wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Too much ambiguity and variations in SP's for me and other friends I've talked to regarding pvp and solo fights. There needs to be some bench mark or level system in regards to a players points. Yes a dude with 70 million SP will rofl stomp the dude with 7million. With damage modifiers maxed out along with general resists (defenses) maxed out, why bother as a new player? Stroke the veterans ego? No thanks!

i.e for every 10 million sp you earn you'd gain a level. Just an idea?😗

Or you could learn to play and understand how SP actually works. Wherein a newish 7mil sp player invested into there ship of choice is equivellant to a 70 mil sp character invested into the same because you can only invest so much into each ship.


What about the 100M SP character with 30M SP invested in his ship of choice vs the 5M SP character?
That diversionary argument grows tiresome. There are lots of people in FW with nearly perfect subcap skills, and it does matter.




i agree on that man, i have less SP invested in pvp during the years and i notice the difference in dps output and tanking vs a higher SP player. example half of mine are L3 and if i 1V1 sva L5 skills i notice it and as well when i fight vs a lower SP player who i out tank and out dps. people who say SP dont matter are those with all the SP imo. i discussed that with a player i lost from and compaired and also a player i won from and compaired the SP and the fittings we had. both losses and wins ware SP based since our fittings ware like the same. not saying that counts for everything tho. but SP do matter idd
SkyFlyer
The Last Hope
#58 - 2015-02-21 06:41:37 UTC
Ofcourse SP matter in game , just like any other MMO Levels matter in PvP - but if you go and lose against a guy and complain about SP being the difference Don't take the fight, it is as simple as that.

On the other hand solo PvP is far from Dead tbh (look at my videos) , yes it is harder to come by nowadays but its very muchly still kicking ass....

If you cant get solo PvP where you live, its p easy :

Step 1 ) Realise your Problem
Step 2 ) Scout Killboards
Step 3 ) Scout out the Region during Peak Times.
Step 4 ) Relocate your Assets to a satisfactory Region.
Step 5 ) ????
Step 6 ) Profit!
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#59 - 2015-02-21 06:46:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Dun'Gal
jurgen b wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Dun'Gal wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Too much ambiguity and variations in SP's for me and other friends I've talked to regarding pvp and solo fights. There needs to be some bench mark or level system in regards to a players points. Yes a dude with 70 million SP will rofl stomp the dude with 7million. With damage modifiers maxed out along with general resists (defenses) maxed out, why bother as a new player? Stroke the veterans ego? No thanks!

i.e for every 10 million sp you earn you'd gain a level. Just an idea?😗

Or you could learn to play and understand how SP actually works. Wherein a newish 7mil sp player invested into there ship of choice is equivellant to a 70 mil sp character invested into the same because you can only invest so much into each ship.


What about the 100M SP character with 30M SP invested in his ship of choice vs the 5M SP character?
That diversionary argument grows tiresome. There are lots of people in FW with nearly perfect subcap skills, and it does matter.




i agree on that man, i have less SP invested in pvp during the years and i notice the difference in dps output and tanking vs a higher SP player. example half of mine are L3 and if i 1V1 sva L5 skills i notice it and as well when i fight vs a lower SP player who i out tank and out dps. people who say SP dont matter are those with all the SP imo. i discussed that with a player i lost from and compaired and also a player i won from and compaired the SP and the fittings we had. both losses and wins ware SP based since our fittings ware like the same. not saying that counts for everything tho. but SP do matter idd

You are simply wrong there is a maximum point at which extra sp is doing nothing but giving you access to different ships or weapons systems. Once you have all v in your core skills/ those which directly apply to said ship of choice, there is literally nothing you can train (in game) to make your ship any more effective. A low sp character can very easily have those basic skills maxed (or close enough to max) and be on essentially even terms sp wise with a veteran.

The only difference at that point would be the players personal experience and understanding best how there ship operates. I don't care if you've got every skill in game at level 5, I could still roll a new character and in a few months of skill training start picking fights and beating said max skill character.

Now if you want to suggest that with very low sp you will be unable to challenge someone in a ship that clearly outclasses what you are flying I can give you that - but in this case target selection is your problem more than the sp difference.

Edit: reading againwhat you are saying it sounds like impatience and jumping into ships you aren't ready to fly is the problem. Ship classes aren't just designed for there niche they are the logical progression of things. By the time you are ready to fly bigger more complex ships the basic skills that make any difference in its combat capabilities should have long since been trained.
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#60 - 2015-02-21 08:00:44 UTC
Rock Paper Scissors!

The first time I killed an assault frigate I was flying a t1 frigate with t1 weapons because I couldn't fit t2 weapons yet. I beat him still. Because my crappy piece of paper was better than his shiney rock! His t2 weapons never mattered in the fight because he could not hit me.

SP is not everything.