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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2015-02-20 19:45:05 UTC
J'Poll wrote:




tl:dr


Unlike your previous posts, this one is of such low quality that I will say: Can I have your stuff...

J'Poll for this post I am very sad that I can't hit the thumb's up button more than once.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2015-02-20 19:49:28 UTC
Pod Panik wrote:


I guess i was just pissed of seeing my work of two week of mission farming go in smoke while I could do nothing about it. The T3 cruiser pilot was playing with me. I could not escape OR harm him in any way. He wasted 15 minutes of my play time for no reason and there is NOTHING i could do about it.

My cat likes to play with her prey also. I guess it's no fun when they die too fast. I've also seen Orca play with their prey as well on discover channel type shows. I guess it's just the way of the predator. Or maybe just the way of the Mammalian predator.

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pinkiaiiiLT pinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2015-02-20 19:51:05 UTC
yeah i have been in OPs boat or even still am,game is just different one you subscribe to it,its either grind or buy plex-the thing that i can relate is being in a corp and feeling like you owe something to them-or worry about being there on time or for whatever stuff is being done-since corp cant sustain without being in group when needed.

hell i was about to quit the game not so long ago,also played eve many time on trials just to give up on it after it expired.

only time i got lucky was when i joined corp-very small but thought enough to look at game differently-at some point we bonded that from doing small runs missions etc i wouldn't take my share,just left it to the corp,and when did stuff alone and had good amount of isk i would just donate it to them,since the group was so chillached :D ,only end came when people stopped logging in for weeks team leader went missing and it ended pretty fast.

So next time i went back to game i said ill do it solo,which is basically almost impossible-since eventually you feel alone-as in no one to chat to.

I think what new players need is corporation that isnt focused on pvp ratting or other scummy stuff,but those who can welcome you into corp and say look,do this for a while,and if any events are going on just fleet up.

But sadly finding such corps isnt easy task and the one i didnt find yet.Since there are recruitment channels etc but people there usually keep bombarding same messages,you throw them a hint and you get 10 invites,where before i would have interview with the leader first and find out what they are like.

point being if you can find some small corp that is starting out and leader does recruiting you can go a long way-since usually leaders are vets that have isk and knowledge to get you started in the right direction.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2015-02-20 20:34:36 UTC
pinkiaiiiLT pinky wrote:
yeah i have been in OPs boat or even still am,game is just different one you subscribe to it,its either grind or buy plex-the thing that i can relate is being in a corp and feeling like you owe something to them-or worry about being there on time or for whatever stuff is being done-since corp cant sustain without being in group when needed.

hell i was about to quit the game not so long ago,also played eve many time on trials just to give up on it after it expired.

only time i got lucky was when i joined corp-very small but thought enough to look at game differently-at some point we bonded that from doing small runs missions etc i wouldn't take my share,just left it to the corp,and when did stuff alone and had good amount of isk i would just donate it to them,since the group was so chillached :D ,only end came when people stopped logging in for weeks team leader went missing and it ended pretty fast.

So next time i went back to game i said ill do it solo,which is basically almost impossible-since eventually you feel alone-as in no one to chat to.

I think what new players need is corporation that isnt focused on pvp ratting or other scummy stuff,but those who can welcome you into corp and say look,do this for a while,and if any events are going on just fleet up.

But sadly finding such corps isnt easy task and the one i didnt find yet.Since there are recruitment channels etc but people there usually keep bombarding same messages,you throw them a hint and you get 10 invites,where before i would have interview with the leader first and find out what they are like.

point being if you can find some small corp that is starting out and leader does recruiting you can go a long way-since usually leaders are vets that have isk and knowledge to get you started in the right direction.

So good points here that you make.

Couple tips. When looking on the forums recruitment threads most corps / alliances have public chat channels. You can get in multiple ones and talk to people to see if you get along with any of them before joining. In the mean time it's helpful to have them to ask questions of.

When you see someone you can do a right click and show info on them. Some have bios some do not but regardless you can click on their corp for corp info then on the alliance for alliance info and some of them post public chat channels in the description. This way if you see people doing stuff that you would like to do then you look at their corp or alliance for public chat info if available. Also the in game recruitment UI can link to public chat channels and iirc you can even filter by that.

Also many twitch streamers have in game chat channels as well as in game groups like the pheobe freeport alliance and various NPSI (Not Purple Shoot It) groups that do public PvP roams and such. If you look around there are many ways to find public chat channels but bottom line is get talking to people. The more that you meet the more options that will be open to you.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#65 - 2015-02-21 00:11:07 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
pinkiaiiiLT pinky wrote:
yeah i have been in OPs boat or even still am,game is just different one you subscribe to it,its either grind or buy plex-the thing that i can relate is being in a corp and feeling like you owe something to them-or worry about being there on time or for whatever stuff is being done-since corp cant sustain without being in group when needed.

hell i was about to quit the game not so long ago,also played eve many time on trials just to give up on it after it expired.

only time i got lucky was when i joined corp-very small but thought enough to look at game differently-at some point we bonded that from doing small runs missions etc i wouldn't take my share,just left it to the corp,and when did stuff alone and had good amount of isk i would just donate it to them,since the group was so chillached :D ,only end came when people stopped logging in for weeks team leader went missing and it ended pretty fast.

So next time i went back to game i said ill do it solo,which is basically almost impossible-since eventually you feel alone-as in no one to chat to.

I think what new players need is corporation that isnt focused on pvp ratting or other scummy stuff,but those who can welcome you into corp and say look,do this for a while,and if any events are going on just fleet up.

But sadly finding such corps isnt easy task and the one i didnt find yet.Since there are recruitment channels etc but people there usually keep bombarding same messages,you throw them a hint and you get 10 invites,where before i would have interview with the leader first and find out what they are like.

point being if you can find some small corp that is starting out and leader does recruiting you can go a long way-since usually leaders are vets that have isk and knowledge to get you started in the right direction.

So good points here that you make.

Couple tips. When looking on the forums recruitment threads most corps / alliances have public chat channels. You can get in multiple ones and talk to people to see if you get along with any of them before joining. In the mean time it's helpful to have them to ask questions of.

When you see someone you can do a right click and show info on them. Some have bios some do not but regardless you can click on their corp for corp info then on the alliance for alliance info and some of them post public chat channels in the description. This way if you see people doing stuff that you would like to do then you look at their corp or alliance for public chat info if available. Also the in game recruitment UI can link to public chat channels and iirc you can even filter by that.

Also many twitch streamers have in game chat channels as well as in game groups like the pheobe freeport alliance and various NPSI (Not Purple Shoot It) groups that do public PvP roams and such. If you look around there are many ways to find public chat channels but bottom line is get talking to people. The more that you meet the more options that will be open to you.



As erg said, join public channels of ANY corp you have just the slightest interest in and get to know them / talk to them.

It's perfectly fine (and accepted) that you hang around them in their public channel for a bit first before making the dive into the deep end to get into the actual recruitment process. As a former recruiter, I actually loved the people that took their time more then the people that rush into something head first without thinking. Why, well, 2 reasons:

1. It shows that the person knows how to do his own research on things / is (semi) self sufficient in EVE.

2. It shows that of all the possible corps he was looking at, he picked us.




As for where to find a corp. Personally I say a good forum post outclasses a bad forum post, but both outclass the typical Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V spam from the recruitment channel.

If you want more help, check the stickies in this forum part, it has a great guide on how to find a corp that suits you, made by NightCrawler 85.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
rufina reed
roguecats
#66 - 2015-02-21 11:38:02 UTC
i am fairly new and have maybe 3 months in now...
i am able to run L3 and L4 sec missions easy in high sec.
did margin trading and did fairly well in that.
tried scanning and did ok as well when i could find the sites.
to be blunt i have lost more ships to concord then anything lol
i am in mining barges so able to make decent money isk wise when i absolutely have to.
i think my biggest flaw was trying to do to much with to few skills at the time.
there is still a lot i have yet to experience in the game but i am taking my time now and focusing on industry and mission running and am enjoying the time in the game.
eve is really not a solo game but many other games are not either.
in the end i guess it depends on your skills in the game and how you play it.
i have been using contracts for awhile to build ships for my own use.
i guess the saying "if you can't lose then don't use it" applies to eve in a strong way.
rufina reed
roguecats
#67 - 2015-02-21 11:41:13 UTC
i am fairly new and have maybe 3 months in now...
i am able to run L3 and L4 sec missions easy in high sec.
did margin trading and did fairly well in that.
tried scanning and did ok as well when i could find the sites.
to be blunt i have lost more ships to concord then anything lol
i am in mining barges so able to make decent money isk wise when i absolutely have to.
i think my biggest flaw was trying to do to much with to few skills at the time.
there is still a lot i have yet to experience in the game but i am taking my time now and focusing on industry and mission running and am enjoying the time in the game.
eve is really not a solo game but many other games are not either.
in the end i guess it depends on your skills in the game and how you play it.
i have been using contracts for awhile to build ships for my own use.
i guess the saying "if you can't lose then don't use it" applies to eve in a strong way.
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2015-02-21 13:26:49 UTC
rufina reed wrote:

i think my biggest flaw was trying to do to much with to few skills at the time.


That's not a flaw.

There's a reason vets encourage newbies to try tons of different activities in game. You don't have to wait to try anything in some capacity.

Grrr.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#69 - 2015-02-22 10:42:07 UTC
OP is a new player

OP wants to do everything on his own

Sofar so good. Sounds more complicated than it needs to be, but to each his own. Sandbox ftw.

Unfortunately:

OP then goes to lowsec, loses a ship he cant afford to lose and breaks EVE rule nr 1.

You messed up OP. The problem isnt EVE. Stop pretending the world is to blame here.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2015-02-23 01:52:09 UTC
Pod Panik wrote:
PS: For older players, before you scream that I make no sense, try it. Start a brand new character with NO outside support (ISK, Corp, etc) and try to make your way through the game. What you went through 10 years ago is likely very different now that the bigger fish are much much bigger and the smaller fish are confined to the very small glass jar that is High Sec. Test it and maybe we can play together!

Guess what? I did exactly that 1.5 years ago. This character is the result. I tried to contact you once previously and was blocked. Please, contact me in game. You have shown an extreme willingness to learn, and I'd love to show you how wrong you are about your destroyer being a speed bump in low sec. I fly frigates and destroyers almost exclusively. This is a game where pilot skill and ship matchups matter more than the size of your ship.

Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information.

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Neal Roy
Doomheim
#71 - 2015-02-23 22:05:15 UTC
Hi Op,

As you can see from the my account date, i created this account on the 15th of this month. There was a sale on starter accounts for EVE for 5 dollars so I decided to give this a try for the first time. So far I have been simply loving this game. I will try to note down the exact things I did as a new player.

1) The first thing I did after activating my starter account was to see the value of the free items that I got. I found out that the Start cerebral accelerator was selling for 400 million. It would be saving roughly 7-8 days of training time, but in the long scheme of stuff i thought starting capital of 400 million is too good to pass up. Maybe in hindsight this would be a bad choice, but that is what I did.

2) I researched on the various career path available, I decided to PVE first to learn the basics of the game while my skills are currently being trained. Naturally I looked into something which was easy and i could make the most money out of it. I settled on Exploration.

3) I bought a simple magnate and started exploring. I read somewhere on the forum( for which I am glad), that exploring in Hi sec is not time or isk efficient, much better to explore in low sec/null or womholes. Before I went to Low sec/null sec or wormholes, I practiced a day in High sec, getting a hang of how to use the core probe scanner efficiently and quickly.

4) From the second day onwards i decided to go null sec. I got my ship destroyed in the first hour. Started researching again on which is the safest place to explore. Decided to take gamble and went to wormholes. Best decision I made.

5) Exploration in Wormholes is by far the best way to make starting capital. Relic sites >> data sites imo and you can average a cool 5-10 million per site. However scanning them and finding them was the hard part. Out of 10-15 cosmic signatures in a wormhole only 1 or 2 were turning out to be relic sites. So i realized that i was wasting so much time to scan down these signatures for a CHANCE at relic sites. This was day 2-4.

6) While scanning these sites I observed that most of them were Gas Sites. Upon further researching on them, i got the jackpot of GAS CLOUD HARVESTING. Ninja Gas cloud harvesting is what i have settled on to earn the required capital for my ships.





TLDR: If you want to earn ISK as a new player, focus on Ninja Cloud Harvesting.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2015-02-23 22:35:59 UTC
pinkiaiiiLT pinky wrote:


only time i got lucky was when i joined corp-very small but thought enough to look at game differently-at some point we bonded that from doing small runs missions etc i wouldn't take my share,just left it to the corp,and when did stuff alone and had good amount of isk i would just donate it to them,since the group was so chillached :D ,only end came when people stopped logging in for weeks team leader went missing and it ended pretty fast.


So I want to comment on this in game interaction but this is really just about human interactions that exist in and out of game. Just in general when equals deal amongst themselves the act as equals. You don't ask for something that you don't have coming and you don't refuse something that you do have coming. In order to keep fair and equitable game play if you do a group op together you take your fair share. If it were me and I had some new guy coming with me helping out and not taking his fair share I'd not want to do stuff with him much in the future. I'd be feeling like I owed him something and this is a game and I want to have fun not deal with guilty undertones so I'd just avoid the situation altogether.

My grandmother once told me fair is fair and if you are always doing nice things for other people so that you can feel good about yourself and not letting them do nice things for you so that they can feel good about themselves then you are being selfish and eventually the other won't want to interact with you.

TL;dr
trust building involves both giving to others what they have coming to them as well as accepting from others what you have coming to you. Negate either side of that and you negate the whole process.

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