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Are You Sick and Tired of the Tyrant James 315 and his New Order/CODE?

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Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2015-02-20 15:40:13 UTC
Held der Finsternis wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Less talk more action.

It been a while since a corp and alliance was build to do what you want to do. Last ones all went up in flames and I relish at the idea of facing another White Knight/Anti-Code corp. There is a reason why people in AG are mostly in NPC or 1 man corps... like you are.


Yes, there will be lots of action. I have just published the 3rd blog post. Rome was not built in a day and so this rebellion will take some time, even a year or longer if need be. But I will not rush to lose ships and other such foolishness like all the prior rebel corps and movements have done. I will follow a bold strategy that will take time. But, unlike the failed rebels before me, I will not be scammed, awoxxed, or otherwise defeated in battle to such an extent that I have to give up like they did. I am taking the slow, methodical approach. I'm sure lots of people will laugh, just as many did when James was alone himself. But so far we are raising funds faster than James and I am confident we shall see victory.

I look forward to seeing you on the battlefield, whichever side you choose. And my fleets will be undocked and engaging. As I've told investors in private, I see wardec as great practice for budding rebels, not anything to be feared. But we will do so in ships that we can easily replace.

Good luck to everyone in the coming war. May the best side win. But most importantly, may everyone have fun.


Is this like a parody of the New Order? Held der Finsternis even says "Carebear calm down".

In any case, sounds damn funny, has my full support behind it.
Held der Finsternis
Highsec Corporate Services
#122 - 2015-02-20 17:11:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Held der Finsternis
There has been much discussion in game about official titles for "agents" and "knights." In the New Order, agents are Code enforcers with any corp affiliation while knights are members of the CODE. alliance.

What would you call the Rebel equivalents?

Here are some of the ideas being considered:

AGENT equivalent:

Ranger
Saviour
Advocate
Sheriff
Deputy
Gallant
Protector
Partisan
Vanquisher
Defender
Medalist
Hero

KNIGHT equivalent:

Champion
Templar
Goblin
Orc

Now that I have gone through this exercise thinking up some more ones, I think it's clear to me now.

I decree that the rebel "agent" shall henceforth be known as..

Hero

and the rebel "Knight" shall henceforth be known as...

Templar

I do not rule out having multiple levels, using some of the words above, to denote special achievements and such. Please share any ideas you may have!

You can always find me on the forum section of Minerbumping.com :o)

Jennifer en Marland
Shiny Violent Killing Toys
Astral Battles
#123 - 2015-02-20 17:23:01 UTC
Not sure if you're a troll, scammer or both...I'm guessing both Blink

Army of dolls stole all your perfect imperfections.

Held der Finsternis
Highsec Corporate Services
#124 - 2015-02-20 17:29:30 UTC
Jennifer en Marland wrote:
Not sure if you're a troll, scammer or both...I'm guessing both Blink


Neither. I certainly hope to see you as a shareholder and/or hero very soon so that together we can defeat James 315 and his cronies. Skepticism is healthy, as long as you are open-minded to see how this plays out as my forces march towards victory.

You can always find me on the forum section of Minerbumping.com :o)

Gaylord Fappington
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#125 - 2015-02-20 17:42:18 UTC
Jennifer en Marland wrote:
Not sure if you're a troll, scammer or both...I'm guessing both Blink


Doesn't the AG community call its agents Pandaren? He could always borrow that.
Lord Jasta
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#126 - 2015-02-20 17:49:38 UTC
So what if a former agent wanted to right the wrongs he had committed before?
Jennifer en Marland
Shiny Violent Killing Toys
Astral Battles
#127 - 2015-02-20 18:06:49 UTC
Held der Finsternis wrote:
Jennifer en Marland wrote:
Not sure if you're a troll, scammer or both...I'm guessing both Blink


Neither. I certainly hope to see you as a shareholder and/or hero very soon so that together we can defeat James 315 and his cronies. Skepticism is healthy, as long as you are open-minded to see how this plays out as my forces march towards victory.


The fact that you're asking for isk without ever having done anything to fight Code puts you perilously close to the 'scammer' category. I know you'll never see one cent from me unless you do something pretty amazing that i couldn't do myself.

Lord Jasta wrote:
So what if a former agent wanted to right the wrongs he had committed before?


Then he should hurry up and right them, instead of making forum posts about how he's supposedly going to lead other people into doing it for him Blink

Army of dolls stole all your perfect imperfections.

Dark Hominy
Doomheim
#128 - 2015-02-20 18:25:16 UTC
Held der Finsternis, I really like the cut of your..... Heeeey, that's not a mullet.


I hope you or someone you know are really good at herding cats. Highsec dwellers tend to not work together in groups larger than 1.
I'd love to see it happen, though. Best of luck.
Held der Finsternis
Highsec Corporate Services
#129 - 2015-02-20 18:38:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Held der Finsternis
Jennifer en Marland wrote:
Held der Finsternis wrote:
Jennifer en Marland wrote:
Not sure if you're a troll, scammer or both...I'm guessing both Blink


Neither. I certainly hope to see you as a shareholder and/or hero very soon so that together we can defeat James 315 and his cronies. Skepticism is healthy, as long as you are open-minded to see how this plays out as my forces march towards victory.


The fact that you're asking for isk without ever having done anything to fight Code puts you perilously close to the 'scammer' category. I know you'll never see one cent from me unless you do something pretty amazing that i couldn't do myself.

Lord Jasta wrote:
So what if a former agent wanted to right the wrongs he had committed before?


Then he should hurry up and right them, instead of making forum posts about how he's supposedly going to lead other people into doing it for him Blink


As I've pointed out to other (so far) failed rebels, the quest to defeat James 315 and the New Order is one that takes careful planning and many steps. It is about winning hearts and minds. The founder of the anti-ganking channel expressed many similar things. You could call it AG groupthink I suppose. Perhaps on my blog I'll address this in more detail soon. But in a nutshell, he asked, what would it take to declare victory?

It is quite clear to me. If any of these victory goals are things you'd like to see, then we should talk:

1. Agents and Knights join the Heroes of Highsec and renounce their wicked ways. (remember folks, hearts and minds.)
2. The CODE. alliance is disbanded, with no alternative alliance setup to replace it.
3. James 315 stops writing.

You can't achieve these goals merely by camping gates with some electronic warfare and reps. You can't do it alone or in small packs.

No, that is the FAILED strategy of all the rebels who have come before me. They rely on primative tactics and a bit of high-fives, while they waste countless man hours away doing nothing of value whatsoever. Occassionally, they'll destroy a cheap catalyst or two.

Now, don't get me wrong. Anti-ganking is a part of the strategy, but it's just one component. You have to win the forum too, without being constantly ridiculed. You also can't routinely have your rebel corps and alliances sacked by New Order forces, continously creating new corps and feeding content to Minerbumping.com

You also can't be so paranoid of letting your duly elected Supreme Commander of Highsec into your chat channels. It is a well known fact that New Order spies are always in there. What are you hiding, your schedules? If you think you have anything to hide, you need to beef up your security instead of making it so laughable. When I was a Knight, our around-the-clock surveillance of anti-ganking and other Rebel channels revealed that the entire rebel community had no plan, no hope, and were really cute.

You are so afraid of being scammed or tricked or otherwise misled by agents of the New Order, that you shoot yourselves in the feet hoping it will protect you.

So what have I done so far? Keep in mind it has been about 2 days. I have raised nearly 2 billion isk from a number of interested shareholders who wish to see real change come to Highsec. I have setup a blog with an actual domain name. I've posted articles, and I've setup a lot of the static pages. I've done interviews with many more prospective supporters both in chats and various teamspeaks. I've even had isk thrown at the rebel movement by New Order supporters themselves, much like Goons have done for Gevlon, simply because they find it funny. That's fine with me- I'll take isk from anyone and then use it to defeat James 315 and so on as stated.

So now... what have YOU done? All I hear are stories of failures.

But that doesn't matter. That's the point. We, as rebels, need to band together to defeat our common enemy instead of constantly attacking one another. That is the Carebear Problem. Eventually I will overcome that, one rebel at a time. It is just getting a fit frustrating to even see you spout out what is essentially fearful talking points written down by carebears of past who se advice is to do everything possible that cowers in the face of advertsity instead of tackling the problem head on and intelligently.

Join me. Let's defeat the New Order together.

You can always find me on the forum section of Minerbumping.com :o)

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#130 - 2015-02-20 18:41:35 UTC
Held der Finsternis wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
IB4 the move.

Also, best of luck to the OP. The new Order has never lost a war. You are indeed up against the most elite of PvPers.


I know, check my employment history friend. Big smile

Tbh it kinda makes your effort look more like either a CODE publicity tactic and/or a way to bring them even more targets via the people you recruit and "lead into battle". Lol This kind of thing is common in FW.

Though if it's legit then I'm pretty sure CODE and everyone watching will welcome the extra content with open arms.

In anycase, starting off by saying you want to win and be different than the rest, then asking for suggestions on exactly how to do that, doesn't bode real well.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

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Held der Finsternis
Highsec Corporate Services
#131 - 2015-02-20 18:46:37 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Held der Finsternis wrote:
Hiasa Kite wrote:
IB4 the move.

Also, best of luck to the OP. The new Order has never lost a war. You are indeed up against the most elite of PvPers.


I know, check my employment history friend. Big smile

Tbh it kinda makes your effort look more like either a CODE publicity tactic and/or a way to bring them even more targets via the people you recruit and "lead into battle". Lol This kind of thing is common in FW.

Though if it's legit then I'm pretty sure CODE and everyone watching will welcome the extra content with open arms.

In anycase, starting off by saying you want to win and be different than the rest, then asking for suggestions on exactly how to do that, doesn't bode real well.


Well, you are wrong. But let me explain why, as I have done so already to that exact question earlier in this thread. The failed rebels of past have come to the table with crazy, naive plans and refused to listen to reason. They all want to be kings but no one wants to be a soldier. They end up getting their asses handed to them. Instead of learning and adapting, they whine and fill out paperwork for our overworked GM's.

I already have extensive plans for how I will achieve ultimate victory. Obviously, I have not posted them in full here for opsec. But I would be absolutely foolish NOT to ask for suggestions from the community, adapting good ideas as make sense.

This is not an attack on you, just your thinking on this matter. Seriously give it some thought. I'm confident you'll come around and share your own suggestions.

You can always find me on the forum section of Minerbumping.com :o)

Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#132 - 2015-02-20 18:51:52 UTC
Held der Finsternis wrote:
So what have I done so far? Keep in mind it has been about 2 days.....


And you still have no lossmails of gankers.

Held der Finsternis wrote:
So now... what have YOU done?


Jennifer actually goes out there and shoots at CODE. There are many lossmails that show this.

Who has done more? I'd say Jennifer. If people want to throw isk at any antigankers at this stage Jennifer seems your best bet!
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#133 - 2015-02-20 18:52:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Erica Dusette
Held der Finsternis wrote:
This is not an attack on you, just your thinking on this matter. Seriously give it some thought. I'm confident you'll come around and share your own suggestions.

Why would I want to do that?

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

worмнole dιary + cнaracтer вιoѕвσss

Jennifer en Marland
Shiny Violent Killing Toys
Astral Battles
#134 - 2015-02-20 18:58:45 UTC
I was going to write a serious reply to your to your points but then I read this:

Held der Finsternis wrote:
You also can't be so paranoid of letting your duly elected Supreme Commander of Highsec into your chat channels.


So I'm not going to waste any more time engaging with a troll. Bear

Army of dolls stole all your perfect imperfections.

Held der Finsternis
Highsec Corporate Services
#135 - 2015-02-20 18:59:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Held der Finsternis
Renegade Heart wrote:
Held der Finsternis wrote:
So what have I done so far? Keep in mind it has been about 2 days.....


And you still have no lossmails of gankers.

Held der Finsternis wrote:
So now... what have YOU done?


Jennifer actually goes out there and shoots at CODE. There are many lossmails that show this.

Who has done more? I'd say Jennifer. If people want to throw isk at any antigankers at this stage Jennifer seems your best bet!


So you admit you didn't read anything I posted. Shooting catalyst pilots who are on a mission to lose their ship is not how you defeat CODE. LMAO. LIke I said, cute as hell.

I look forward to the day when we join forces together. The Carebear Problem, as I alluded to earlier, is the well-known fact that carebears and rebels as a whole, as you are demonstrating, favor taking solo actions over group efforts of any significance, favor small actions over actual change, and argue over and over with people who share a common cause with them.

But, if you insist on repeatedly failing, I guess I'll just have to deal with that and lead the resistance without you and others of limited thinking on this matter.

Jenifer yet again proves my point here:

Jennifer en Marland wrote:
I

So I'm not going to waste any more time engaging with a troll. Bear

You can always find me on the forum section of Minerbumping.com :o)

Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#136 - 2015-02-20 19:12:09 UTC
Held der Finsternis wrote:

So you admit you didn't read anything I posted. Shooting catalyst pilots who are on a mission to lose their ship is not how you defeat CODE. LMAO. LIke I said, cute as hell.



Confirming Jennifer has never shot anything but catalysts. Roll

Jennifer has earned our respect as a capable and dangerous opponent whom we enjoy battling. One day we might say the same of you. This is not that day.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#137 - 2015-02-20 19:13:59 UTC
Held der Finsternis wrote:
trollolol


I read it all. I read most of the blog too. It is not my fault your shoddy reading skills lead you to conclude I am of "limited thinking" and I already stated how to beat CODE earlier in the thread, without mention of shooting any catalysts.

You are talking a lot about antiganking though and doing nothing. Talk... inaction... talk... inaction...


Held der Finsternis
Highsec Corporate Services
#138 - 2015-02-20 19:25:32 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Held der Finsternis wrote:
trollolol


I read it all. I read most of the blog too. It is not my fault your shoddy reading skills lead you to conclude I am of "limited thinking" and I already stated how to beat CODE earlier in the thread, without mention of shooting any catalysts.

You are talking a lot about antiganking though and doing nothing. Talk... inaction... talk... inaction...




Not at all, simply saying that to beat CODE. you have to use CODE. tactics in your strategy or you are doomed to fail. You and I have many things we can agree on. I'm trying to get you to the point where you can see that is all. I'll be here for this cause for a very long time. And unlike so many others, I'll engage with them with a fun and polite attitude. This is a game that so many get rather worked up over.

You can always find me on the forum section of Minerbumping.com :o)

Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#139 - 2015-02-20 19:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Renegade Heart
Held der Finsternis wrote:
Not at all, simply saying that to beat CODE. you have to use CODE. tactics in your strategy or you are doomed to fail. You and I have many things we can agree on. I'm trying to get you to the point where you can see that is all. I'll be here for this cause for a very long time. And unlike so many others, I'll engage with them with a fun and polite attitude. This is a game that so many get rather worked up over.


So, are you aware that Jennifer suicide ganked a bump mach? Can we expect to see donations diverted into SRP for such operations in the future?

I can appreciate you not wanting to share all of your plan, but surely a killmail of that kind would be something to inspire carebears to part with some of their hard-earned AFK mining income?
Held der Finsternis
Highsec Corporate Services
#140 - 2015-02-20 20:06:18 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Held der Finsternis wrote:
Not at all, simply saying that to beat CODE. you have to use CODE. tactics in your strategy or you are doomed to fail. You and I have many things we can agree on. I'm trying to get you to the point where you can see that is all. I'll be here for this cause for a very long time. And unlike so many others, I'll engage with them with a fun and polite attitude. This is a game that so many get rather worked up over.


So, are you aware that Jennifer suicide ganked a bump mach? Can we expect to see donations diverted into SRP for such operations in the future?

I can appreciate you not wanting to share all of your plan, but surely a killmail of that kind would be something to inspire carebears to part with some of their hard-earned AFK mining income?


In due time, I'm sure. Right now, I'm working on funding an alliance and then recruiting some. I could do it now, but I don't want to deplete the Treasury too quickly at the beginning. There will be some killmails then, and so on, while other parts of the plan are put into motion. While I work on initial funding, I'm getting the blog setup with some initial articles and static resource pages. Of course this will all grow in time, but it's a lot to work on right now for the coming days. To let a little bit out the bag, I'll form up some fleets of fast tackle and fast locking interceptors to engage gank fleets in combat in open space, not just jam them on gates. Time will tell whether that will be effective with rookie rebel pilots or not, but it should be fun for everyone including the gankers. As far as SRP, I definitely want to get there but not how they do SRP for ganking, but more like how they hand out free fitted ships for fleets they FC.

You can always find me on the forum section of Minerbumping.com :o)