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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3441 - 2015-02-18 07:41:30 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
I'm still playing and multiboxing VGs.

I also know of at least one other fellow who uses isboxer but he only uses videoFX (like me) and he isn't banned either.


Please be sure to give an email address to one of your ingame friends because if CCP decide you are breaking the rules (as suggested by CCP Pelligro) and ban you, your friend can come to this thread to let us know.

Do keep in mind though, the new rules rely heavily on "Player Policing" . Maybe you and the other person you know just haven't been reported yet so hadn't come to CCP's attention.
You did just remove the need for player policing though by advertising your breach of the rules (as per CCP Pelligro) on the forums.

I'm pretty sure I've been reported based on the comments in local about me cheating and using a banned program etc. Of course pretty sure isn't 100% sure and as such you have some very valid points.

I did post this video of me running a site a while back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B40tc3dr8s

I have a couple people I know out of game who can report any ban here.

I am intending to record a new video with a completely different setup either tonight or tomorrow. I'll post it here for the lulz



Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3442 - 2015-02-18 13:45:43 UTC
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
I'm still playing and multiboxing VGs.

I also know of at least one other fellow who uses isboxer but he only uses videoFX (like me) and he isn't banned either.


Please be sure to give an email address to one of your ingame friends because if CCP decide you are breaking the rules (as suggested by CCP Pelligro) and ban you, your friend can come to this thread to let us know.

Do keep in mind though, the new rules rely heavily on "Player Policing" . Maybe you and the other person you know just haven't been reported yet so hadn't come to CCP's attention.
You did just remove the need for player policing though by advertising your breach of the rules (as per CCP Pelligro) on the forums.

I'm pretty sure I've been reported based on the comments in local about me cheating and using a banned program etc. Of course pretty sure isn't 100% sure and as such you have some very valid points.

I did post this video of me running a site a while back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B40tc3dr8s

I have a couple people I know out of game who can report any ban here.

I am intending to record a new video with a completely different setup either tonight or tomorrow. I'll post it here for the lulz

Hmm, used to multibox my miners that way. It became too much, and they only ever empty cargo every 5 minutes (and maybe F1 for a new rock).

It was really painful on the wrist eventually.

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Verisimilidude 001
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3443 - 2015-02-18 19:17:52 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi349v9d52U

There's a 45 minute long breakdown of my setup and a real-time narrated running of a 20-man Incursion solo.
Charadrass
Angry Germans
#3444 - 2015-02-18 20:07:12 UTC
got an answer from a Petition.
i am asking here and now ccp to post that answer here, to stop anything speculative right now and right here!
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#3445 - 2015-02-18 22:41:50 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
I'm still playing and multiboxing VGs.

I also know of at least one other fellow who uses isboxer but he only uses videoFX (like me) and he isn't banned either.


Please be sure to give an email address to one of your ingame friends because if CCP decide you are breaking the rules (as suggested by CCP Pelligro) and ban you, your friend can come to this thread to let us know.

Do keep in mind though, the new rules rely heavily on "Player Policing" . Maybe you and the other person you know just haven't been reported yet so hadn't come to CCP's attention.
You did just remove the need for player policing though by advertising your breach of the rules (as per CCP Pelligro) on the forums.

I'm pretty sure I've been reported based on the comments in local about me cheating and using a banned program etc. Of course pretty sure isn't 100% sure and as such you have some very valid points.

I did post this video of me running a site a while back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B40tc3dr8s

I have a couple people I know out of game who can report any ban here.

I am intending to record a new video with a completely different setup either tonight or tomorrow. I'll post it here for the lulz

Hmm, used to multibox my miners that way. It became too much, and they only ever empty cargo every 5 minutes (and maybe F1 for a new rock).

It was really painful on the wrist eventually.

Kinete - I admire you will here. I hadn't watched your vid previously and when you mentioned videofx I (wrongly) presumed you were using it.

I've multiboxed up to 15 characters in a similar fashion using 4 monitors, for both mining and incursions with a few experiments with PVP. The problem now becomes how quickly you can manage those individual clients.
I can scroll through and activate modules etc on all my characters quite quickly using nothing but shortcuts provided by CCP and standard window manager. I have a very efficient round robin setup and the standard window manager as provided by my OS allows me to get things done extremely quickly.
When I contacted CCP about the use of my setup I was referred to this thread (even though I specifically mentioned I found this thread unclear as it contained conflicting information) so am still unclear as to whether my setup breaches the new interpretation of the EULA.
My solution so far has been to let all but 2 of my subs expire and that is the way things will stay until CCP clarifies their position.

Alavaria - more than just painful on the wrist and forearm, playing Eve became harder work than going to work.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3446 - 2015-02-19 02:11:46 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
I'm still playing and multiboxing VGs.

I also know of at least one other fellow who uses isboxer but he only uses videoFX (like me) and he isn't banned either.


Please be sure to give an email address to one of your ingame friends because if CCP decide you are breaking the rules (as suggested by CCP Pelligro) and ban you, your friend can come to this thread to let us know.

Do keep in mind though, the new rules rely heavily on "Player Policing" . Maybe you and the other person you know just haven't been reported yet so hadn't come to CCP's attention.
You did just remove the need for player policing though by advertising your breach of the rules (as per CCP Pelligro) on the forums.

I'm pretty sure I've been reported based on the comments in local about me cheating and using a banned program etc. Of course pretty sure isn't 100% sure and as such you have some very valid points.

I did post this video of me running a site a while back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B40tc3dr8s

I have a couple people I know out of game who can report any ban here.

I am intending to record a new video with a completely different setup either tonight or tomorrow. I'll post it here for the lulz

Hmm, used to multibox my miners that way. It became too much, and they only ever empty cargo every 5 minutes (and maybe F1 for a new rock).

It was really painful on the wrist eventually.

Kinete - I admire you will here. I hadn't watched your vid previously and when you mentioned videofx I (wrongly) presumed you were using it.

I've multiboxed up to 15 characters in a similar fashion using 4 monitors, for both mining and incursions with a few experiments with PVP. The problem now becomes how quickly you can manage those individual clients.
I can scroll through and activate modules etc on all my characters quite quickly using nothing but shortcuts provided by CCP and standard window manager. I have a very efficient round robin setup and the standard window manager as provided by my OS allows me to get things done extremely quickly.
When I contacted CCP about the use of my setup I was referred to this thread (even though I specifically mentioned I found this thread unclear as it contained conflicting information) so am still unclear as to whether my setup breaches the new interpretation of the EULA.
My solution so far has been to let all but 2 of my subs expire and that is the way things will stay until CCP clarifies their position.

Alavaria - more than just painful on the wrist and forearm, playing Eve became harder work than going to work.
It isn't terribly more then what I did with my 9 nm 1 nestor fleet pre jan 1st change.
stewie Zanjoahir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3447 - 2015-02-19 14:35:42 UTC
I personally Don't see this lasting, there are Few muitly boxers like me that were paying customer. and muitly box in peace.
Now what i do in ban able. ??

Where we were once's encourage Muitly boxing.

Resulting false Advertising for muitly boxing Year half ago.

Since its a Ban able offense, so can i get a refund across my toons?


I have nice screen shot of a in game GM encouraging Muitly boxing.

If there no muitly boxing mining cost of ship in the long term will go up.
no more cheap ship's to blow up.

In short term out look mite look good. but give it 2 to 3 years time ship prices will shoot up. in fact the ccp has harm the game play for the future.




KC Kamikaze
Blue-Fire
#3448 - 2015-02-19 15:01:09 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
I'm still playing and multiboxing VGs.

I also know of at least one other fellow who uses isboxer but he only uses videoFX (like me) and he isn't banned either.


Please be sure to give an email address to one of your ingame friends because if CCP decide you are breaking the rules (as suggested by CCP Pelligro) and ban you, your friend can come to this thread to let us know.

Do keep in mind though, the new rules rely heavily on "Player Policing" . Maybe you and the other person you know just haven't been reported yet so hadn't come to CCP's attention.
You did just remove the need for player policing though by advertising your breach of the rules (as per CCP Pelligro) on the forums.



Just out of curiosity in what forum post does it say using VideoFX is now a bannable offense? Can you link it?
ashley Eoner
#3449 - 2015-02-19 20:07:51 UTC
KC Kamikaze wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
I'm still playing and multiboxing VGs.

I also know of at least one other fellow who uses isboxer but he only uses videoFX (like me) and he isn't banned either.


Please be sure to give an email address to one of your ingame friends because if CCP decide you are breaking the rules (as suggested by CCP Pelligro) and ban you, your friend can come to this thread to let us know.

Do keep in mind though, the new rules rely heavily on "Player Policing" . Maybe you and the other person you know just haven't been reported yet so hadn't come to CCP's attention.
You did just remove the need for player policing though by advertising your breach of the rules (as per CCP Pelligro) on the forums.



Just out of curiosity in what forum post does it say using VideoFX is now a bannable offense? Can you link it?

Probably one of the ones that also claims multiboxing in general is bannable now...
KC Kamikaze
Blue-Fire
#3450 - 2015-02-19 20:24:49 UTC
In light of all the idiots making false claims I decided to finally open a ticket with ccp telling them what i do how i use it with screenshots to see if it's as I suspect: the majority of people that continue to post in this thread are full of sh1t.
ShadowandLight
Trigger Happy Capsuleers
#3451 - 2015-02-19 20:28:09 UTC
Charadrass wrote:
got an answer from a Petition.
i am asking here and now ccp to post that answer here, to stop anything speculative right now and right here!


did you finally get unbanned? (were you banned or just temp. pending investigation?)
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3452 - 2015-02-19 21:52:17 UTC
ShadowandLight wrote:
Charadrass wrote:
got an answer from a Petition.
i am asking here and now ccp to post that answer here, to stop anything speculative right now and right here!


did you finally get unbanned? (were you banned or just temp. pending investigation?)


Sumerragy was the one who got banned.
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#3453 - 2015-02-19 22:19:59 UTC
So how many have been banned after all this time?
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#3454 - 2015-02-19 22:33:56 UTC
KC Kamikaze wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
I'm still playing and multiboxing VGs.

I also know of at least one other fellow who uses isboxer but he only uses videoFX (like me) and he isn't banned either.


Please be sure to give an email address to one of your ingame friends because if CCP decide you are breaking the rules (as suggested by CCP Pelligro) and ban you, your friend can come to this thread to let us know.

Do keep in mind though, the new rules rely heavily on "Player Policing" . Maybe you and the other person you know just haven't been reported yet so hadn't come to CCP's attention.
You did just remove the need for player policing though by advertising your breach of the rules (as per CCP Pelligro) on the forums.



Just out of curiosity in what forum post does it say using VideoFX is now a bannable offense? Can you link it?

The original post containing the full message was removed by ISD but This Post has the part about video fx and round robin.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

ashley Eoner
#3455 - 2015-02-20 03:58:08 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Sgt Ocker wrote:
KC Kamikaze wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
I'm still playing and multiboxing VGs.

I also know of at least one other fellow who uses isboxer but he only uses videoFX (like me) and he isn't banned either.


Please be sure to give an email address to one of your ingame friends because if CCP decide you are breaking the rules (as suggested by CCP Pelligro) and ban you, your friend can come to this thread to let us know.

Do keep in mind though, the new rules rely heavily on "Player Policing" . Maybe you and the other person you know just haven't been reported yet so hadn't come to CCP's attention.
You did just remove the need for player policing though by advertising your breach of the rules (as per CCP Pelligro) on the forums.



Just out of curiosity in what forum post does it say using VideoFX is now a bannable offense? Can you link it?

The original post containing the full message was removed by ISD but This Post has the part about video fx and round robin.

The account that posted the supposed statement from a GM has no post history outside of trolling boxers in this thread. That very same account considers it cheating to multibox at all.

I would take anything said by that account with less than a grain of salt.

There has been at least two boxers who use videoFX who posted in this thread with videos and they are still playing. The assault guy is pushing the videofx farther though.
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#3456 - 2015-02-20 11:35:52 UTC
While true, a lot of people use a biomass alt for the forums. So i don't really see that as a reason to not trust posts.

Me however, I post with my main.

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.

Charadrass
Angry Germans
#3457 - 2015-02-20 17:35:08 UTC
I am currently spending more time arguing with CCP-Support than actually playing the game.

CCP is trying to push me into a special direction of the game where they want to have me.

rendering the game as no longer interesting for me.

examples are:
- GM Peligrio who is on a sort of personal war against everyone. If he just posts his "decision" into the public, everything would be clear and no one would be able to argue again.
As he is NOT doing this, and people are getting different answers, i take his answers in the petition only as personal meanings and not as rules from ccp, sorry. Rules are meant to be public. not private for only special pilots.
- ticket answer times takes like 20+ days, till your ticket is getting closed with a standard eula slap. reopening the ticket takes you on another 20 day trip.
if ccp would be a webspace / domainprovider or something like that. they would have been into bankrupty a long time ago.
i know not one company who ignores their customers the way ccp does.
even blizzard has faster response times in tickets, lifechat and phonesupport. oh yeah ccp, these guys you wanna be in your dreams. they know how to handle their customers. you, clearly, don't.


i am not quite sure if the ccp ceo hilmar is knowing what the departments of ccp currently doing. cause if he would be aware of the catatastrophic publicity situation, he would have resigned by now.

go on ccp, destroy the game with desinformation about rules etc. leave your customers with different answers in private, cause discussing them in the public will attract the ban hammer.
thats the way to handle paying customers.

we are paying your ******* monthly contract money. DO SOMETHING FOR IT.
KC Kamikaze
Blue-Fire
#3458 - 2015-02-20 17:45:51 UTC
I suspect it's bullshit. The guy said what was told to him via a support ticket. If that really happened they would have at least locked the thread and/or removed his post.

I have a ticket open. Hopefully it doesn't take forever to get answers.
Niclas Miula
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3459 - 2015-02-20 18:45:45 UTC
I don't know what exactly the plan from CCP is but I am really sad. Many of my mates stopped playing EVE and I start wondering about this support.

I hope CCP can sort their stuff and become a good and customerfriendly company again. I really don't want to change my game...
ashley Eoner
#3460 - 2015-02-20 21:35:42 UTC
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
While true, a lot of people use a biomass alt for the forums. So i don't really see that as a reason to not trust posts.

Me however, I post with my main.

You're missing the point which is it's a character that has done NOTHING but troll boxers and proclaim them as cheaters. So excuse me for not believing his supposed GM conversation.