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You should have added: "I think this is a very generous move of yours, but I won't "proxy trust" a surrogate of you".

As I have posted on another thread, you don't put just ISK on the line. You put your face.

So, sure, somebody could lose an Avatar and escalate the refund to you. But that shall create a breach of trust anyway.

He'll think: "woah, Darkness has refunded me, very nice of him, but now I know he trusted a wrong person. Next time I am going to skip this whole mess and waste of time and I'll ask another 3rd party service".


Imho a more organic approach would be to "help raise" a new 3rd party trusted guy and have him earn his own trust and fortunes.

A new trustable 3rd party definitely seems needed with the amount of ones popping up that are clearly scams, but that's easier said than done I guess.

It's your own choice mate as it is your name on the line.That said ,i've ''known'' you for allmost 10 years now , from the soloer in j-okoc fighting me over plex's to the guy who started TRI and in the end making yourself a name in the 3rd party industry too.

I normally don't give a **** about what reputation someone else has , be it chribba or the mittani or whoever , but in your case i'd say it's the best and probably one of the verry few ''allround reputation'' there is and it would be a shame if that even got a dent.But your choice as said.

But then on the other side if i wouldn't be ''out of interest over eve'' for the last half year i probably would be inclined to send you a mail asking if i could be your ''sidekick''.So i can see it getting a lot of interest from people who would want to become involved into the third partying and for those with honest intentions this will be a willy wonka ticket.

Either way good luck with it .

What I want to know is this: Since this is a business plan, how much will you be charging? Will it be a one time fee, a per transaction fee, a monthly membership fee?

Will pilots pay to see your list of sponsored 3rd parties? Will 3rd parties pay you?

What are you getting out of this 'business'?

How can you sustain the possible % of losses and insurance payouts?

Yes, this is a great point and one I thought about. Whoever I champion would not have a reputation behind them in terms of their word against someone lses, my only thought at getting around this is to ask whoever works under my name to fraps/film every trade and hold on to that film for say 24 hours. If after 24 hours no one complains, they can delete the video.

Hi Dark!

Nice to see you back (on Forum, you never gonna login this days)

I used You and Chribba so many Times, you Guys making a awesome Job in the past for this Game but yea it was most of the Time a pain in the Ass of whaiting.
That was the Main Choice for me to start my own 3rd Party Service.

I'm omw to build me a good Reputation atm but a vouch or somethink like that for the start of a Honorable Guy would maybe help. How do you plan to proof the deals or the trustness of that new comer 3rd Party's?

Regards Ed

edit: sorry i see the post about frapsing.

I'm curious as to what you need to 3rd party. Besides a good reputation and super sitters what else would one need to have to be a 3rd party.

You are welcome!




I see the "RvB" corp under your name. I may be wrong but I think you are going the same way I and others (Flakeys?) have gone: you have seen, loved, experienced, adsorbed EvE. You are trying to get into the tiniest EvE corner because you can't just come to the heart breaking conclusion that... your time with EvE is slowly getting old.
I too have gone through all the "missioning / couriering / WH / 0.0 / large scale PvP / small scale PvP / FW and even mass industry, even big mining!"... all because EvE was so huge, lovely, vast, endless... until one day it stops being endless.

Then you look back at the massive personal investment you have put in this game. For us who also play the "meta game" you look at how it took years but now you are at "the top" of your niche, in THE competitive game.

And you can't just let all of this go. Your life now is mostly epic memories and you hold them dearly. You play less and less, real life factors "oddly" keep you too busy to play. Yet you need to get your "EvE fill" sometimes, because yes, this game is that good.
Your business starts to suffer, your client queue up but you aren't online.
You want to leave a legacy, but in EvE you can't inherit trust.

Heh sorry for this blurb, it talks a lot about me and might not talk about you even a bit. I just had it weighing on my heart since a while and had to let it go.




Yeah I got in this field with a totally fortuitous event: a guy who rescued a weeping noob whose industrial had just been popped by a can flipper then teached that noob a number of things about EvE, gifted him some ships (including a now 8 years old, T2 fitted Hurricane) and then took several months off EvE giving him a 30 men corp and 43B worth of assets to hold while he was away.

I was that noob. Apparently doing that "hold 43B" thing - which in other MMOs is almost "normal" as people borrow epics and whatsnot to others - was so odd and worthy done in EvE.
Since then I have decided to play in this strange "trust guys" niche thing, finding a lot of awesome experiences that taught me so much. Including finding and then loving this sub forum, which taught me so much.




That would be one guy, your "Jedi apprentice" (with your name you could as well go the Sith way though ). After an extensive time spent with him you'd "reveal" him to the world. But you would not put your refund guarantee under his. That's what would earn him true trust - if he's able to get it.

Of course nobody would give a Titan to hold to such a guy - much less with no guarantee off yours.
He'd have to slowly, painfully climb the ladder. Such is life, in a game where there's no free meal.

That challenge would also be what makes him worth being a "Trusted Guy" and would probably be a motivator in itself.
If it is not, then he's not worth that role.

Haha... well you are both right. I've debated leaving the game for good several times, but then I try and find out why I want to leave. I do feel that I have pretty much done it all (except for industry/mning, that was never my thing) but that isn't the reason why my play time has levelled off. Where as once I was a 16 year old kid with loads of time on my hands when all my friends went to Uni and I didn't, I am now a man with a full time job, mortgage and marriage on the cards :)

But more than the real life reasons, my love for this game has trailed off because CCP in my eyes pushed the game to a place that destroyed what I wanted. Solo PVP, which whilst not impossible, is now more time consuming and hard to find than ever. I don't have 4 hours every evening to go in search of the odd fight that I think I could win that the other guys think they could also win resulting in a fun and fairly fair fight. Alliance warfare has become so stagnant, boring and unadventurous that it offends me to even think about it and unfortunately, though they are my business bread and butter I think capitals were perhaps the single most destructive force to enter the game.

My main concern is that CCP can't fix the game... I know they are trying but I'm just not sure they can. When I say fix, I mean get it back to the exciting, can't wait to log in game that it once was. Perhaps because I've done a lot and played for so long this is personally impossible for me but thousands feel this daily, however the population of eve doesn't appear to ever increase by much and I don't ever witness the excitement I once had. The human condition of group up and hold on to what you have seems to have won out in 0.0. If this changes, the game could become so much more again, but like I said, I'm not sure it can.

Regardless of the above, I'm not going to pack it in yet!

To repeat a fool :



There are 3 people in EVE that I fully trust, that I have never flown with.

Chribba,
Darknesss &
Grendell.


You three have earned a rare level of trust, in a game where trust is the hardest thing to earn. You have my outmost respect.
I sadly also fully understand that people start getting other commitments and that the game has changed. And I have "only" been playing for 7 years now.

Which is why it's double sad to see people like you lot leaving, and the void you will leave.
Also why I find Darkness' idea very interesting, and something I'll be keeping an eye on.
I wish it whole hearted, all the best, for everybody's sake.


All the best
~Angel~