Crime & Punishment

May I get some ideas for what criteria or parameters other players use to decide how much fee to charge for their kill rights?

I would suggest you undock in a warp core stabbed Orca, and then have your alt or friend (who owns the KR) set the killright price to about 600 million ISK.

Most times it is activated you will get away and be up 600m. Other times you will still get killed but come out ahead because of insurance.




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oh wait, you mean a non-scamming use of a KR because you got ganked?

For random bypassers you have no information on, 10MISK will usually suffice. People who spend a lot of time fighting in highsec will likely either claim it with an alt or be able to ignore it completely. Only people who carry a risk of losing a ship to kill rights unintended are people like me who are aliens to highsec.

For people with very low security status and experienced highsec warriors in general, it is smart to set the price at hundreds of millions at the very least, since you want to lure some raging idiot into buying a useless kill right for a good profit.

Because noob ships really break the wallet

As is bizarrely the case with most of his posting. The man is an artist, pure and simple.

In no particular order:

Sabriz Adoudel "...oh wait, you mean a non-scamming use of a KR because you got ganked?"

Yes, I got ganked. Now I have a killright, a concept new to me.

Paranoid Loyd "We'll need the whole story before we can give you a proper recommendation.

I was leary about posting the details of the ganking since that isn't what this is about and I wanted to avoid the dread epithet 'carebear' by appearing to complain about the gank. I flew thru a 0.4 sec system and I was careless about my approaches and laggy timing. Not anyone else and I understand that. And I had deliberately chosen my mount cuz I could afford to lose it.
[less happy about the wetware in my head though]

I'm somewhat boggled that I can ask for payment for someone to, in effect, avenge me but it is an interesting game dynamic.

If you must have the details:

http://public-crest.eveonline.com/killmails/44698555/081ef5db1049f398dfae6ad3ea9aab587dadde3c/

2015.02.18 19:00:00

Victim: Dornier Pfeil
Corp: Science and Trade Institute
Alliance: Unknown
Faction: Unknown
Destroyed: Venture
System: Rancer
Security: 0.4
Damage Taken: 690

Involved parties:

Name: Tickalsiinz (laid the final blow)
Security: -9.30
Corp: Sanctuary of Shadows
Alliance: None
Faction: None
Ship: Rokh Nugoeihuvi Edition
Weapon: Large EMP Smartbomb I
Damage Done: 690

Destroyed items:

Viscous Pyroxeres, Qty: 166 (Cargo)

Dropped items:

Viscous Pyroxeres, Qty: 16666 (Other)
Civilian Gatling Railgun
Civilian Miner

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http://public-crest.eveonline.com/killmails/44698561/eb7620c6e520f450ae5b214850fdb172cd005331/

2015.02.18 19:00:00

Victim: Dornier Pfeil
Corp: Science and Trade Institute
Alliance: Unknown
Faction: Unknown
Destroyed: Capsule
System: Rancer
Security: 0.4
Damage Taken: 423

Involved parties:

Name: Tickalsiinz
Security: -9.4
Corp: Sanctuary of Shadows
Alliance: None
Faction: None
Ship: Rokh Nugoeihuvi Edition
Weapon: Rokh Nugoeihuvi Edition
Damage Done: 243

Name: Douglas Aurelius (laid the final blow)
Security: -9.80
Corp: Sanctuary of Shadows
Alliance: None
Faction: None
Ship: Confessor
Weapon: Dual Light Beam Laser II
Damage Done: 180

Destroyed items:

Limited Social Adaptation Chip (Implant)
Limited Ocular Filter (Implant)
Limited Neural Boost (Implant)
Limited Memory Augmentation (Implant)
Limited Cybernetic Subprocessor (Implant)
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Lord Parallax "Just make it public for less than 1 mill isk and it will be claimed for you within the week."

I never put a price on a killright, to me seeing them lose a ship is far more satisfying.

I see such huge numbers bandied about in the chat and forums that even a million seems trivial to me but that is exactly what I did. It's set for 250,000.

Godfrey Silvarna "since you want to lure some raging idiot into buying a useless kill right for a good profit."

I don't have it in me to take advantage like that. I appreciate the option and I am taking advantage of it but I don't look at it like a powerball ticket.

Bronson Hughes "Personally, I enjoy putting 10-ish mil ISK killright prices on folks who are -5 or less. People often miss the fact that they can shoot them for free due to the default overview setup and I get some ISK for their stupidity.

THAT is satisfying I tell you.

I get that satisfaction and I would enjoy it too, but that isn't me.

Unsuccessful At Everything "Depends entirely on the person for whom the killright is for, who the intended claiming demographic is, the approximate tenderness of your own posterior , the sec status of the intended individual and whether or not that person will really give half a rats tail section about someone activating a killright on them.

names are above, anyone who can deal with them, my own posterior was unhappy but unhurt, both gankers are nearly down to perfect -10's, no they won't care one whit, and I'm fine with that too. It isn't about them, I just look forward to earning a small bit of ISK in a respectful way. I guess this post was about trying to find out how much ISK is respectful of the people I hope will buy the KR.
Good 'nym, btw, too.


I don't much go in for the whole social p's and q's of upvoting and friending and liking, but anyone who recognizes that is tops in my book.

Can confirm. My -10 sec status char gets suspect flagged from activated kill rights almost every time he undocks in Amarr because most people don't know that they can always shoot at him. In tneory, kill rights would be worthless against anyone with -5 or lower sec status but people's ignorance and stupidty sometimes make it different in practice.

To the OP:

How much to charge for a kill right depends on the habits of the player you have the kill right on, and what you wish to achieve by putting the kill right up for sale.

As a general rule, it is almost never worthwhile to give away a kill right for free since they can easily undock in a rookie ship and lose literally nothing.

If they have positive sec status and you know they like to fly expensive stuff in high sec, it might be worth selling for 50mil, or even more. For instance, if it's a mission running carebear, a 50-200mil kill right might make him too scared to undock in his battleship for a whole month. Or if he does undock, it might potentially lead to a hilarious lossmail and some free isk for you.

10 million is a nice default minimum amount that will usually get bought in high sec even if the target usually only flies cheap frigates. Many people are willing to pay 10 mil to get an easy kill, and potentially a blingy pod kill if the target is caught off guard.

Another favorite of mine is 1billion, and hoping that someone mistakes it for 1 million. I'm sure someone out there has been drunk or reckless enough to fall for that. It hasn't worked for me personally, though. Not yet, anyway ;p

EDIT: You were attacked in lowsec by people with -9 sec status. It's a reasonable assumption that you probably won't be able to sell their killrights at all, but you never know.

Stupid people in EVE are like asteroids. They are renewable resources that you can get ISK out of.

(The asteroids have better AI though)

If you aren't interested in taking advantage of other people making mistakes, then you can't sell this killright. The characters in question have already tanked their security status to the point of being legal targets wherever they go, which makes the killright effectively meaningless. There is no legitimate reason for anyone to buy this killright, so if that's the only kind of sale you're looking for then I'm afraid it's no good.