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Need some advice on the best ship/fit to use for Level 4s
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Preddz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-02-20 12:49:20 UTC
Hi,

Im currently thinking about doing Level 4 missions, but I am a bit stuck on which ships are now the most viable for this (i have been on a break from EvE for the past few expansions).

My Alt can fly Minmatar and Caldari (Shield), and I have been looking at the Machariel and the Rattlesnake. have flown the rattle before when doing complexes in Null, but I always struggled with the DPS output.

My main can fly Gallente (Armor), so I was looking at the Vindicator and the Dominixas potential candidates.

At the moment I can only afford to have one ship, but plan to hopefully run both at some point.

I noticed that the Pirate ships have dropped in Price quite significantly since I last played, so I thought this may be due to Nerfs?

I have roughly a 1.6bil budget for the ship, so any advice would be greatly appreciated on which ship to use and/or fits.

Many Thanks.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#2 - 2015-02-20 12:53:02 UTC
The price drop is because anomalies escalate much more frequently now, the escalation routinely drops a BS bpc

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Warmonger Simon
Trinity Alpha Zero
#3 - 2015-02-20 12:54:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Warmonger Simon
Depends on your skills really. I fly a MJD sniper domi for 4's with 650 dps and 60+30km/0.054 tracking gardes II. Not the greatest tank but with MJD it's not really needed that much. And damage application is pretty good too.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#4 - 2015-02-20 12:55:18 UTC
Btw the mach is kind of disappointing for L4s compared to the navy ravens, and I am told the marauders are better than either.

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Preddz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-02-20 13:00:37 UTC
I thought as much.

I terms of skills, I can use pretty much anything Tech 2 with the support skills for them, I cant fly marauders yet so im kinda stuck with the faction ships.
Warmonger Simon
Trinity Alpha Zero
#6 - 2015-02-20 13:14:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Warmonger Simon
If you have good missile skills; skills for target painting - go for rattle/raven/cnr. With gecko + 5x hobs + 2x wardens/bouncers II
If your missile skills aren't up to par i'd just suggest Domi
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#7 - 2015-02-20 13:38:11 UTC
Preddz wrote:
(i have been on a break from EvE for the past few expansions).

have flown the rattle before when doing complexes in Null, but I always struggled with the DPS output.


It is most likely then that what you have flown before was the "old domi with missiles", fitting a huge passive tank and plugging away...

The current Rattler is a very different beast. You can expect up to about 1400 (paper) DPS from the thing - about 50/50 drone and missile. A Gecko on the modern 'snake will monster a lot of mission rats fast enough that you may have trouble keeping up.
Meanwhile the bonused cruise (my preference, some will recommend rapid heavies) will be pounding down the BS...
LMJD or active tank and fill your lows with damage.
Preddz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-02-20 13:51:53 UTC
From the sounds of it, and because my skills are more towards missiles (I can use tech 2 cruise and Havy missiles) the rattler is the way to go.

Thanks all for your help.
Garrett Osinov
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-02-20 16:26:47 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Btw the mach is kind of disappointing for L4s compared to the navy ravens, and I am told the marauders are better than either.


Machariel is the Best ship for LvL 4 if you have skills. It pops frigs in half volley, almost insta pops cruisers and does up to 1600 dps to Bs / BC / Cruisers. Raven is nowhere near it.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-02-20 16:52:26 UTC
i run serpentis with ishtar, does the job

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2015-02-20 19:27:23 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
It really depends on how you want to do the missions. Do you want to do the missions for the standings or for the isk?

If you want to do the level 4 missions for the isk, then i would highly recommend you to invest in a Marauder if you can fly anyone of those. I fly a Kronos in level 4 missions my self and on most, i can earn 50-60 million isk on one mission by looting and salvaging the wrecks with the tractor beam and salvager on my Kronos.

This is for those who want to do level 4 missions effectively with just one character instead of having an alt to just do the salvaging.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#12 - 2015-02-20 20:31:47 UTC
Garrett Osinov wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Btw the mach is kind of disappointing for L4s compared to the navy ravens, and I am told the marauders are better than either.


Machariel is the Best ship for LvL 4 if you have skills. It pops frigs in half volley, almost insta pops cruisers and does up to 1600 dps to Bs / BC / Cruisers. Raven is nowhere near it.


What's your 1600 DPS mach fit? I assume you're including drones in there?

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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-02-20 21:41:04 UTC
Same question over and over again.

There are lots of guides about missions and approprite ships fitting.

Please don't be lazy and do your homework first.

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Calvin Broadus
Georgia Department of Transportation
ORPHANS OF EVE
#14 - 2015-02-21 19:44:49 UTC
lvl 4's are meh....

my drones finish them while I'm afk
servalaan
#15 - 2015-02-21 21:32:01 UTC  |  Edited by: servalaan
For 1/3 of your budget, fly this.
My analogy for doing so would be:
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#16 - 2015-02-22 01:15:43 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
Try the Rattlesnake for missions with lots of rats in each pocket. Maximize damage and projection. Shield booster, 2 resist modules, prop mod, and the rest damage/projection modules.

Switch to a Machariel for missions with few rats in each pocket. Same as above but with hyperspacial velocity optimizer rigs for faster warp speed.

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Kyle Lonestar
Stryker Industries
Stryker Group
#17 - 2015-02-22 01:23:59 UTC
I consider the Rattler the best hull for the money in the game. It is an *excellent* ship. Make of that what you will.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#18 - 2015-02-22 20:24:40 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Btw the mach is kind of disappointing for L4s compared to the navy ravens, and I am told the marauders are better than either.


have both with pretty much maxed skills, would rather fly the mach most of the time. Missiles just feel tedious to use now. Although I would guess there are a few missions with range inconsistencies that make a mach less awesome.

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#19 - 2015-02-23 07:03:35 UTC
Erebus, Avatar, Leviathan are the best ships for the job, Aeon, Wyvern or Nyx if you need help.

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