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Lowsec Arty Sniper - Svipul, Trasher, or something else?

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Reina Xyaer
Tha Lench Mob
#1 - 2015-02-18 14:13:48 UTC
With the release of the Svipul, and the Artillery damage buff, I'm interested in building a ship for sitting on gates/station/plexes in an arty sniper of some kind, to quick target and alpha squishy enemy militia before they can warp off. I'll probably fit it without any propulsion jamming.

Anyone have any suggestions/reasons as to why I should choose one hull over another?

I'm most likely going to fit and try several... looking at Svipul, Thrasher, Wolf (maybe?), and even considering cruisers with small arty.

Does anyone do arty alpha sniping in low-sec? (Remember, FW so I'll be hunting WT and flashy, I know not to shoot neuts near gate guns). What would you recommend?
Elfred Gam'Havoc
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-02-18 14:25:59 UTC
Thrasher.
Full rack of Arties. flavor your ammo accordingly.
2x Sebos with scan res script. 1x warp disruptor
Gyros in the lows
Rig with Targeting System subcontrollers.

Can be fit with T2 or swap a sebo for an AB, cause its slow as molassas, but with a meta fit its a dirt cheap glass canon that'll pop many frigs in 1 or 2 volleys.

Get a gang going and you can take on much larger, tankier targets quite effectively on gates.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#3 - 2015-02-18 15:19:21 UTC
You seek knowledge of the Cockbag Thrasher. Let me sing you the song of my people.
Reina Xyaer
Tha Lench Mob
#4 - 2015-02-18 16:04:12 UTC
So nobody yet thinks the Svipul is going to outperform the Thrasher at this specific role?

Also just curious, but what makes a cruiser, like a Rupture, not as good as a Thrasher? Would medium arty's, dual scan-res sebos, and tracking comps+enhancers be able to alpha frigs better than a Thrasher? Or are more small turrets better than less medium turrets?
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#5 - 2015-02-18 16:12:17 UTC
Ah, I can definitely see the Svipul outperforming the Thrasher in pretty much every way in this role. It will be a fun addition to our GMVA Thirsty Thrasher Thursdays. One advantage that the Thrasher will continue to have though is its low price tag.

Welping a fleet of Cockbag Thrashers to get that one shiny kill in the enemy fleet is totally worth it... welping a bunch of Svipuls would be a lot more painful.

On an individual basis, your Rupture would be great. Cockbag Thrashers really shine in a fleet. In that context, a fleet of Ruptures becomes a more attractive target for gangs that would wreck such a specialized composition. And, as with the Svipul Fleet: welping Ruptures comes with a more painful loss of ISK.
Elfred Gam'Havoc
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-02-18 16:14:29 UTC
Reina Xyaer wrote:
So nobody yet thinks the Svipul is going to outperform the Thrasher at this specific role?

Also just curious, but what makes a cruiser, like a Rupture, not as good as a Thrasher? Would medium arty's, dual scan-res sebos, and tracking comps+enhancers be able to alpha frigs better than a Thrasher? Or are more small turrets better than less medium turrets?


Cost vs benefit. A t1/meta fit Cockbag is under 5 mil isk. Barely more with T2 modules.

yes, you can set up bigger ships the same way, Rupture, and instalocking gank Tornadoes for example.

Depends on your intended targets...
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#7 - 2015-02-18 16:24:38 UTC
Also Thrashers are more mobile than lager ships in terms of warp speed. That means that the Thrashers can move between systems and gates, responding more effectively to intel reports as well as getting more kills. Cruisers are slower, so you end up having more kills slip through your fingers.
George Gouillot
MASS
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2015-02-18 19:14:46 UTC
[Svipul, Svicock]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Warp Disruptor II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I

280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
[empty high slot]

Small Anti-Explosive Pump II
Small Anti-Kinetic Pump II
Small Trimark Armor Pump II

... slightly different tactic compared to a solo CB but interesting enough, needs genos and 02 grid implant.
Reina Xyaer
Tha Lench Mob
#9 - 2015-02-18 19:19:38 UTC
George Gouillot wrote:
[Svipul, Svicock]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Warp Disruptor II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I

280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
[empty high slot]

Small Anti-Explosive Pump II
Small Anti-Kinetic Pump II
Small Trimark Armor Pump II

... slightly different tactic compared to a solo CB but interesting enough, needs genos and 02 grid implant.



Awesome thanks, I'm going to try this ASAP. Already have genos and a +3 PG.
Kaea Astridsson
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#10 - 2015-02-18 22:26:01 UTC
So to summarize, what you really were looking for all along was someone to post a Svipul fit and ignore all these good advice on Thrashers and Ruppies?

Get on Comms, or die typing.

Mary Killigrew
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-02-19 03:32:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Mary Killigrew
Armor plates... CryCryCry

Arrow

Moar EHP;
Moar speed;

Bit less Res scan. Blink

Quote:
[Svipul, New Setup 1 copy 2]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Internal Force Field Array I

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Medium Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II

280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S
[empty high slot]

Small Core Defense Field Extender II
Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Ancillary Current Router I



Fits w/out implants. Pirate

Quote:
[Svipul, New Setup 1]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Internal Force Field Array I

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Warp Disruptor II

280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S
[empty high slot]

Small Projectile Locus Coordinator II
Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Ancillary Current Router I



Less EHP, more range - 29 km Optimal in Prop mode with TS loaded. Blink
George Gouillot
MASS
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2015-02-19 08:07:44 UTC  |  Edited by: George Gouillot
Reina Xyaer wrote:


... Does anyone do arty alpha sniping in low-sec? ...,


The fit was intended to answer OP question not as a "bestest ever Svipul" fit.

The MWD is for getting to the loot quickly, it serves no purpose in this type of combat and can be replaced by a web for those targets that burn back to gate. Scan res is vital for what OP is intending to do, so I would rather replace the armor rigs with targeting rigs than getting it even lower. I prefer some buffer, but if you are way cooler you can replace the plate with a 3rd Gyro with marginal damage additon or a TE which might not save you if your target knows what he is doing.
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-02-19 16:40:32 UTC
Wouldn't recommend flying it without good propulsion systems.

I think the best bet would be the shield nano gank fit. It can do the same role as most arty fits but have the ability of super nano speed as well which is a great asset.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#14 - 2015-02-19 17:08:55 UTC
The question here isn't "What's the best all around Svipul fit?"

Its "How can the Svipul best fit the specific "Cockbag" role."
Reina Xyaer
Tha Lench Mob
#15 - 2015-02-19 18:40:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Reina Xyaer
Kaea Astridsson wrote:
So to summarize, what you really were looking for all along was someone to post a Svipul fit and ignore all these good advice on Thrashers and Ruppies?



No, I was asking about all arty platforms that could do this role, definitely specifically interested in the Svipul, and when someone posted a fit, I said thanks. I was actually the first one to mention a rupture, and I'm still considering building one for this.


.... so to summarize, what you really did was just post a reply lacking any constructive content related to the thread, just to be a jerk, because you troll the forums, read every thread, and dig deep for every possible place you can call someone stupid or wrong?
Reina Xyaer
Tha Lench Mob
#16 - 2015-02-19 18:50:27 UTC
Ares Desideratus wrote:
Wouldn't recommend flying it without good propulsion systems.

I think the best bet would be the shield nano gank fit. It can do the same role as most arty fits but have the ability of super nano speed as well which is a great asset.



Yes, I dont think I'd be flying the Svipul with no prop mod... a thrasher or rupture I might, but in a Svipul I want survivability for sure.

Svipul has bonus to MWD I believe, so doing a 10mn AB fit like some people are doing with the confessor is not going to be as optimal, I think.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#17 - 2015-02-20 11:34:33 UTC
[Loki, Instalock Loki]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Large Shield Extender II

Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M

Medium Targeting System Subcontroller II
Medium Targeting System Subcontroller II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2015-02-20 15:34:58 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
The question here isn't "What's the best all around Svipul fit?"

Its "How can the Svipul best fit the specific "Cockbag" role."


There is the issue of cockbagging in a hull that costs more than 5 mil though. You might want to round it out a little bit just to make sure you don't end up on the wrong end of the arty camp.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#19 - 2015-02-20 15:46:28 UTC
Could be worse. Could be cockbagging in a Loki.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#20 - 2015-02-20 19:26:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Estella Osoka
The Svipul is not good for cockbagging. It doesn't provide better Alpha than the Thrasher.