EVE General Discussion

Yeah, and sets up the "my God he sucks" line instead.

Properly webbed, a freighter is vulnerable for less than eight seconds.




No, it still applies fully. Your one, possibly imaginary friend fouling up and getting killed while using one of the most overpowered tricks in the game is not proof of anything, let alone that highsec is too dangerous.

It does raise the question on why none of those people didn't get 150km ahead of the freighter to provide an instawarp.

I had to check the killmail several times. Why was he using an anti-tanked Charon for a 3m3 cargo?


Why did no one provide the Charon's warpout?

It's on the list of zkillboard's freighter kills. It appears Dravclad is referring to the most recent one in Raussinen.

One thing I've always wondered is if people think to use is other people as bait. If I was someone who absolutely had to get through that particular choke-point, and was aware gankers were active, I'd be watching every previous gate, looking for a juicy mark to take the hit in my place. Get in formation with them, take the jump alongside, then hold cloak til the bumper is making a move on my unwitting accomplice. Not useful if you are being targetted specifically for your cargo, but if you're well under the profit threshold and fear just being targetted for the sake of targetting someone, letting someone else be your tank seems the obvious.

You don't have to be faster than the predator, just the rest of the prey.

At least 1 that I can recall. Plus a large number of carriers.



Yea, now I know your lying.

Aren't you basically arguing the exact same thing? You say you left nullsec because you thought the mechanics were not balanced (favouring the attacker) and therefore too dangerous for those trying to do PvE. That is the risk side of the equation - the amount of ISK that can be earned in nullsec, is in general, too little as compared to highsec when you factor in the significant increase in risk.

People here are suggesting that the ISK rewards in highsec should be toned down a bit because they are out of balance. You seem to prefer decreasing the risk in nullsec as a solution to the imbalance which is certainly another possibility, but both are addressing the exact same problem. You are living in highsec because the risk-to-reward equation of nullsec was not sufficiently in your favour for you to put up with the hunters chasing you there.

Why exactly should the stupid and the lazy be protected from their own actions?

Its pretty obvious what I am saying, I am saying that your CCP Falcon post was bull because all the mechanics have been changed to hold the hands of player killers and listed them, this made operating in space that was not highly protected a very difficult proposition. There is a major difference between ratting as a member of Goonwaffe in deep Deklin as compared to a member of Rebal Alliance of New Eden in wicked Creek.

In effect the solo or small gang players have it too hard because most of the time they gather ISK solo, so are unprotected and because it has been made easier to catch them the risk is to great so they end up in hisec.

In effect I went back to hisec because it was made too easy for hunters, and I detailed here the improvements that have been made by CCP to make it easier to catch people, so while I say the risk has been increased you talk about me wanting to reduce risk, you are an intelligent player, surely you can see just how much easier it is now, but yet you make statements that I want to decrease risk in null. I am talking about the changes that have made it easier to catch people, so I dispute your slant of me asking to make it less riskier in null, I am detailing the real changes that have increased risk to a level that solo and small groups can no longer operate without losing ship after ship after ship.

The figure of 300m ISK per hour was given to me by a friend in the CFC, I think he is over stating it, but that is the scale that you are talking about, Jenn a'Snide said 90m per hour when using the LP to its best level, I have registered 70m per hour with SOE missions in Osmon, though I was not doing it to the same degree.

I also pointed to some graphs showing more and more people in 0.0, but that is protected 0.0 such as the CFC, the solo and small groups players like me realise that its too loaded against us so back to hisec. Can someone gank my missions boat, well they could but its T2 fitted, but the risk is different its not a direct comparison, but the risk is now very great for freighters, industrials and any mining boat except Skiffs and Procurers. Mission Tengu's with deadspace modules of course get ganked.

The whole thing that we are pointing out that people who are solo or small group orientated are being squeezed back to hisec and then we get the Grrr hisec going on about missions being op, they are not.

90 mil an hour is the income you can expect from the best anoms. You can also only have a max of 10 people per system which if you have would mean you cannot make close to 90 mil/hr. You will make more running missions in highsec than in null as it provides the same level of income or better with zero downtime due to hostiles.