EVE General Discussion

At no point did I say EVE is dying. I said that if you force everyone out of NPC corps through some sort of massive disincentive program so that highsec effectively becomes a killing field for bored bittervets via wardec spam, a large number of the people who presently do PvE in highsec will quit. And then the bittervets will find themselves fighting over a much smaller number of easy targets, and they'll start to quit too. And then the game will die.

My post was specifically addressing what would happen if NPC corps were nerfed enough to force the highsec pve crowd to either 1) try to operate in the face of constant wardecs or 2) play another game that doesn't charge them money to be someone else's amusement with no realistic chance to fight back. And if you tell me these players would be able to organize and effectively combat a community of players which has a much greater reservoir of combat related skills, actual pvp experience, and in many cases ISK, I'm going to stop talking to you. I don't understand why you don't see this it's so obvious.

You should probably read the rest of that thread.

I did. It was an entertaining read.

The only long term path to success is to make null and lowsec income generation viable enough that smaller groups and solo players will want to live there. And to somehow find a way to disincentivize the forming of ever larger blobs to sit on top of income sources outside highsec, with those massive resources then being used to convert the rest of the player base into content. Nullsec needs to look less like a galactic empire and more like a feudal war zone, but given the human propensity for co-operation to mutual advantage I don't know how to achieve this.

FW lowsec seems to be in a pretty good place as far as activity and conflict - perhaps there is something useful to be learned there.

I don't think we want a game that says you have to join one of these major power blocs to be able to grind ISK safely enough to actually buy ships and play the game.

I'm starting to get "evil" thoughts......

hello again hyperdunking thread

See that's the point I've been trying to make. The bittervet with the proteus? Why is he in highsec? For the same reason his target is in highsec. And that's all due to mechanics.

Kaarous Aldurald,

I am certainly not against things blowing up, neither in hisec nor anywhere else for that matter.

What we are pointing out is that it is easier and easier for the player killer.

Interceptor immunity to bubbles
Differing warp speeds enabling fast intercepts
D-Scan Immunity
Changes to WH's so they only appear when people jump through
Ice and Ore belts that can be warped straight to rather then needing to be scanned

Yet people call for removal of local and a delayed local on top of the above, are they that useless?

In their isolation each is acceptable, but as a whole impact its a massive shift, the game has got so much easier for the hunter and so difficult for the hunted, I went to 0.0 after 8 months of play, my first 6 months of play was in a single system contested by enemies that had 20 times our number and yet I was able to operate and develop ISK in spite of that. I had the experience of doing this in 2010, I could not do it now even with the ability to fly every sub-cap in the game.

In late 2010 I met a player whose main was Gravitas Dignitas, he left the game a couple of years back, he has been in the privateers, the Orphanage and knew the original guys in Project Nemesis, he said before he left the game that the game had got too easy, he enjoyed hunting, but now it was too easy and that was before the changes I detailed above.

There are people who play either solo or in small groups, those in small groups often ISK generate solo, they are sitting ducks, one of my contacts just lost his legion to combat recons, this guy was good at operating in 0.0. Now he is doing level 4's, he realised after a loss that it was now just stupidly easy to catch him.

And you lot are complaining about hisec ISK generation when it is not anywhere near what people generate in deepest Deklin for example.

And hyperdunking is another example of a malise in Eve, in itself I have no issue with it, its clever and it made people attack freighters when they were safe before, however its not the killing of freighters that matters here because to be blunt its really easy to stop hyperdunking as I have done it. The issue with this hyperdunking approach is the impact on offline POS's, amongst all the carnage in Niarja, I saw a number POS module takedowns, it included a corp hanger and a ship bay, the losses were enourmous. It may be that the player who let it go offline is hardly playing, however he did not have a war dec warning him of someone desiring the goodies in his tower, nope, they just got taken out no warning, this is a massive change.

And you people also talk about hisec being safe, the massive numbers of freighters blowing up proves otherwise, as do the numbers of transport and industrials one shotted by Tornado's, as does the number of newbie mining ships ganked in belts, or the mission runners alpha'd as they dock up and of course lets not forget the scatter gun war dec system, even if it can be avoided by people folding their corps and restarting them.

People including myself have gone to hisec because it is too easy now for the hunter, simple as and for one of your group to quote those comments by CCP Falcon which are divorced from the reality of the situation in terms of the ease of catching people makes me spit my dummy out in contempt, CCP Falcon is wrong, very wrong, it is now too easy for player killers, laughingly so.

I call bull on CCP Falcons statement, he has not done a very good job on it has he, the player killers have their hands held more and more!

Then why are you complaining about interceptor buffs above?

Nothing has hurt ratting in nullsec more than that. Not cloaks, not cynos, nothing. Buy some consistency.




That's a good thing. Offline POS'es squatting in highsec for eternity is abominable. Anywhere else in the game it would be dead in hours, but in highsec you can actually just turn the ****** off and be fine, because CONCORD.




Massive? Okay, let's take a stroll through zkillboard, shall we? On the 19th of February, there were 24 freighters killed in highsec. Of those, fully half were killed in Uedama or Niarja. Known hotspots. (meaning, no escort)

Looking at those, most of them were anti tanked, with no escort, and looking at the circumstances most likely afk.

So yeah, I'd have to say that highsec is pretty safe. Hell there are more car accidents in my backwood hometown on an average day than freighters ganked in highsec.



Because people who were afk, anti tanked, with no escorts died while going through the two most highly trafficked gank spots in the game?

I think not.

I've seen you bring this up a couple of times, and of all the reasons to object to something, this is truly baffling. Fuel your POS, and get the shield. If you are being cheap and leaving a POS undefended for long periods of time, it deserves to be gone or have things missing when you return. There isn't going to be "backlash" from this, and anyone who comes complaining that bits were missing off the POS they haven't been fuelling deserves to be laughed out. If anything, this new technique is closing a loophole that is obviously being far more massively than I realised - if anything, mechanics changes should be made to restrict this abuse.

[Note: There is a post lower down where someone is complaining that the power projection nerf has devalued Ice and is asking for more uses - here, I have just solved to birds with one stone, make highsec POS users fuel their towers or lose them, that'll bring Ice use up!]