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not-quite-noob question about where to sell stuff in amarr region that isn't Amarr system itself
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Mechanoid Kryten
N0VA 5
#1 - 2011-09-12 01:04:35 UTC
Hello,

I am posting here because I believe I have the best chance of getting a helpful answer in these forums than in either industry or trade.

In short, i'm looking for local mini-trade-hubs or places where pvpers launch off to low/null or fleet war hubs or mission hubs (if they still exist) in the amarr region.

I manufacture but hate trading (1-isking, competition etc). But I need to sell things. I seem to have saturated my local market with the few slow-selling ships i build such that I accidentally one-isk myself these days.

In Gallente space i had better luck. there was Ourselart, Dodixie, as well as that fleet war system next to old man star to choose from.
In Minmatar space i had both Hek and Rens and a high sec peninsula in the Molden Heath region.
But In Amarr space I hadn't found anything other than Amarr system homeworld to sell things in. Someone told me to go to the Bleak Lands for a jumping off point to low/null sec but I went there today and it's so empty i doubt i can sell 1,000 missiles there in 6 months.

I'm not looking for an active trade hub. I'm looking for places i can post up amo and drones and such and not have to one-isk anyone.

Any suggestions?

What rocks are the most isk per hour to mine? Which of your mission loot is worth more refined than sold? What blue prints make the most proffit? Answers: https://eve-industrialist.com/ Never sell an item for less than its mineral costs again!
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#2 - 2011-09-12 01:20:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
I think that's a really good question... but it's a toughy too because traders are not very forthcoming with their prime trade areas. However, there is a tool in-game that really helps.

Go to Map [F10] --> Star Map --> Stars --> Statistics

Then select "Average Pilots in Space in the Last 30 mins"

Your map will display population density. From there you can simply go to where the players are. It's a sure bet they are going to need your stuff. In doing this I think you might be surprised to find that some systems with slightly lower player populations (say 40-80) can actually move pretty good volume at a slightly higher markup!

If you are interested in trading in LowSec, my advice is this: Look for the choke points for entry into 0.0 space. It's a good bet that alliances occupying that (0.0) space have an office in the first LowSec NPC station in between their 0.0 holdings and and Empire (extra tip: focus on stations with repair and medical facilities). Also, invaiders sometimes (often) amass their ships in the very same systems as they build towards their invasion. Supplying weapons to a 0.0 fight can be very lucrative, but the key there is intel and timing. On the former, switching from "Average Pilots in Space" to "Ships Destroyed in the last 24 hrs" is useful.

Hope that helps.

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Mechanoid Kryten
N0VA 5
#3 - 2011-09-12 01:32:11 UTC
Gogela wrote:
I think that's a really good question... but it's a toughy too because traders are not very forthcoming with their prime trade areas. However, there is a tool in-game that really helps.


That's why i'm asking here instead of the marketing section... but id take a small isk hit gladly if i didn't have to play one-isk games... so an answer would get me out of the major trade hub....


Gogela wrote:

Go to Map [F10] --> Star Map --> Stars --> Statistics

Then select "Average Pilots in Space in the Last 30 mins".


I been doing that but all i found was the local manufacturing / npc labs hub.... makes no sense to build where i am and haul it to sell it in a mfg hub.... but i can try again i suppose. or haul to Stacmon or other gallente / minmatar areas i know and love.

What rocks are the most isk per hour to mine? Which of your mission loot is worth more refined than sold? What blue prints make the most proffit? Answers: https://eve-industrialist.com/ Never sell an item for less than its mineral costs again!
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#4 - 2011-09-12 01:40:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
I see what you are saying... I wish I had a definitive answer for you... but the answer I think you are looking for is also the key to success... that that I really don't have. I suppose it depends on what you are building. When I started in industry building shields and industrial ships, I found the Citadel to have a lot of great systems that let me sell things at a pretty sweet markup (50-100%). It's still the case today... but in order to sell there I also found that I needed to spread stuff around a lot because the volume was thin. Any time you enter a region you should also open the market view for that item over the entire region and see where other people are selling, how much, and at what prices. That can give you a good idea about where to go to find the balance between volume and price I believe you are seeking. The problem with the one-isk games is they exist anywhere there is great volume. Those games drive down price and = market efficiency. If you are not playing one-isk games than, it follows you should not have to take a price hit... only a hit on volume. That's the economics game imho...

/facepalmfail

Thanks Tau Cabalander for the below post... I was failing... Oops

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#5 - 2011-09-12 04:09:38 UTC
I like to use Ombey's 2D EVE Maps. Trade hubs are circled in red.
Mechanoid Kryten
N0VA 5
#6 - 2011-09-12 04:24:53 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I like to use Ombey's 2D EVE Maps. Trade hubs are circled in red.


Now THAT is nice and what i was looking for. It shows a trade hub in my very region. It appears to be mostly-dead now but I'll go see if i can revive it somewhat. I hope it's not a former mission hub that used to have a very good lvl 4 agent.
I see items there but not many of them, they get lost in all the other items for sale but there are consistently items for sale there. If not there.. this will help me find other places.

I heard of Ombey before but never went to check it out. I know that Ombey quit the game during the .... Incarna release. Sad.

Also gallente space seems closer than i thought it was, i may not be so far from my old haunts as i thought i was. This is nice.

No more 1-isking my own cruisers i put up for sale with a different character in Amarr LOL

What rocks are the most isk per hour to mine? Which of your mission loot is worth more refined than sold? What blue prints make the most proffit? Answers: https://eve-industrialist.com/ Never sell an item for less than its mineral costs again!
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-09-12 06:03:06 UTC
ebtesham used to be good but it died off a bit. penirgman is ok because its a mission hub
tash murkon prime is a good hub system as well
Mechanoid Kryten
N0VA 5
#8 - 2011-09-12 06:11:17 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
ebtesham used to be good but it died off a bit. penirgman is ok because its a mission hub
tash murkon prime is a good hub system as well


thanks also. i discovered tash-murkon already using obey's maps and it appears i can build some things at a proffit there that been one-isked out of existence in amarr.
i will be sure to check out penirgman. missioners like amo and drones.

What rocks are the most isk per hour to mine? Which of your mission loot is worth more refined than sold? What blue prints make the most proffit? Answers: https://eve-industrialist.com/ Never sell an item for less than its mineral costs again!
Ruban Spangler
EVE University
Ivy League
#9 - 2011-09-12 07:22:33 UTC
Mechanoid Kryten wrote:

But In Amarr space I hadn't found anything other than Amarr system homeworld to sell things in. Someone told me to go to the Bleak Lands for a jumping off point to low/null sec but I went there today and it's so empty i doubt i can sell 1,000 missiles there in 6 months.


Huola and Kamela are busy FW systems. Things that get blown up will sell here. The main problems are that Amarr is only 6 jumps away so you can't inflate your prices too much and these are lowsec systems. You will need to sell in highsec next door or risk your ship.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#10 - 2011-09-12 17:21:55 UTC
You also have an option of selling your wares in Providence and it's surrounding low sec constellations but avoid Mista -> Kheram like plaque (use Bittanshal -> Sibot / Dittal -> KBP7-G (high sec to 0.0) / anything else but Mista -> Kheram.
It's partially NRDS region once again but getting to intel channels might be tricky unless you plan to stay.
Mechanoid Kryten
N0VA 5
#11 - 2011-09-12 17:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Mechanoid Kryten
I have no plans or ability to sell in low sec except perhaps as a novelty oneoff in a cloaky hauler to unload some amo that got oneisked into unprofitability. I did the 0.0 thing and no more pvp intel channels for me plz. High sec is the life for me!

I can try the fleetwar systems too... tho when in amarr it didn't look like there were any other hubs around. I wil check out more items like probes and bombs maybe ... things that are used in fleet wars.

Thanks to everyone who replied to help me... I'm not a noob but I help new players often in my corp so its nice to receive help like a noob from time to time. Its truly a rare thing in eve these days.

What rocks are the most isk per hour to mine? Which of your mission loot is worth more refined than sold? What blue prints make the most proffit? Answers: https://eve-industrialist.com/ Never sell an item for less than its mineral costs again!
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-09-12 18:36:34 UTC
the problem with what ur trying to do is its hard to move vast quantaties of goods.... u can sell 20million missiles in jita at small profit but if u put that kinda stuff in tash murkon it will take over a year, assuming u arnt undercut to death ( which does happen)
Mechanoid Kryten
N0VA 5
#13 - 2011-09-12 18:57:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Mechanoid Kryten
Don't wory I don't plan on flooding any one market with any one item. More like rotate the markets with the small stuff I build. Adjust orders that still hadn't sold by the time I get there again with a new load..
And I wil get bigger blue prints if the small ones no longer work for me. That will never happen tho... you don't get rich running a corp in eve. Not if you mean well at least.
I did this small stuff building fine in gallente and minmatar space... only with corp isk and corp blue prints. Now I'm trying to do it with my isk and my blue prints.
I Just don't exlore as much as I used to when I was a noob so needed some help finding systems other than Amarr... where I would get undercut the second I left the system it seems!
I just want to build stuff to make the most of my mined minerals. I don't want to play market games with traders who have 100 times the isk I do. Having all these markets ppl suggested will allow me to do that.

What rocks are the most isk per hour to mine? Which of your mission loot is worth more refined than sold? What blue prints make the most proffit? Answers: https://eve-industrialist.com/ Never sell an item for less than its mineral costs again!
gfldex
#14 - 2011-09-12 22:54:22 UTC
There are such places but I can't really see why you should not invest a little time to find them yourself. Go to Amarr and watch the gates. Follow ppl around a little and see where they settle. If I see you competing with me I will *beep*ing kill you, of course.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#15 - 2011-09-13 05:07:54 UTC
Mechanoid Kryten wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I like to use Ombey's 2D EVE Maps. Trade hubs are circled in red.
I heard of Ombey before but never went to check it out. I know that Ombey quit the game during the .... Incarna release. Sad.
The maps haven't really changed significantly in a long time. Ombey was mostly keeping the outposts up-to-date as they were built.

Many of the trade hubs were based around mission hubs, like Penirgman for example. With the changes to agents, there is less centralized missioning, but some like Penirgman remain because of the access to agents.

Anyways, it is somewhere to start looking... along with where the majority of market orders are located in your region.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-09-13 18:33:37 UTC  |  Edited by: David Grogan
Mechanoid Kryten wrote:
Hello,

I am posting here because I believe I have the best chance of getting a helpful answer in these forums than in either industry or trade.

In short, i'm looking for local mini-trade-hubs or places where pvpers launch off to low/null or fleet war hubs or mission hubs (if they still exist) in the amarr region.

I manufacture but hate trading (1-isking, competition etc). But I need to sell things. I seem to have saturated my local market with the few slow-selling ships i build such that I accidentally one-isk myself these days.

In Gallente space i had better luck. there was Ourselart, Dodixie, as well as that fleet war system next to old man star to choose from.
In Minmatar space i had both Hek and Rens and a high sec peninsula in the Molden Heath region.
But In Amarr space I hadn't found anything other than Amarr system homeworld to sell things in. Someone told me to go to the Bleak Lands for a jumping off point to low/null sec but I went there today and it's so empty i doubt i can sell 1,000 missiles there in 6 months.

I'm not looking for an active trade hub. I'm looking for places i can post up amo and drones and such and not have to one-isk anyone.

Any suggestions?


in khanid region - parses (hi sec) & chamemi (low sec next to parses)
in khanid region - agil (hi sec) nearest null sec is hed-gp
in tash murkon region - dabrid (hi sec) & gyerzen (low sec next to dabrid)
in tash murkon region - paye (hi sec) & sagain & saminer (low sec next to paye) warning sagain is usually camped by pirates
in tash murkon region - esa (hi sec) its 2 jumps from y-mpwl (null sec providence region)

all of those (low sec) systems are capital ship jump thru points. while u might sell some ammo you'd make more money selling all 4 types of isotopes and liquid ozone

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Mechanoid Kryten
N0VA 5
#17 - 2011-09-13 19:02:01 UTC
David Grogan wrote:
Mechanoid Kryten wrote:
Hello,

I am posting here because I believe I have the best chance of getting a helpful answer in these forums than in either industry or trade.

In short, i'm looking for local mini-trade-hubs or places where pvpers launch off to low/null or fleet war hubs or mission hubs (if they still exist) in the amarr region.

I manufacture but hate trading (1-isking, competition etc). But I need to sell things. I seem to have saturated my local market with the few slow-selling ships i build such that I accidentally one-isk myself these days.

In Gallente space i had better luck. there was Ourselart, Dodixie, as well as that fleet war system next to old man star to choose from.
In Minmatar space i had both Hek and Rens and a high sec peninsula in the Molden Heath region.
But In Amarr space I hadn't found anything other than Amarr system homeworld to sell things in. Someone told me to go to the Bleak Lands for a jumping off point to low/null sec but I went there today and it's so empty i doubt i can sell 1,000 missiles there in 6 months.

I'm not looking for an active trade hub. I'm looking for places i can post up amo and drones and such and not have to one-isk anyone.

Any suggestions?


in khanid region - parses (hi sec) & chamemi (low sec next to parses)
in khanid region - agil (hi sec) nearest null sec is hed-gp
in tash murkon region - dabrid (hi sec) & gyerzen (low sec next to dabrid)
in tash murkon region - paye (hi sec) & sagain & saminer (low sec next to paye) warning sagain is usually camped by pirates
in tash murkon region - esa (hi sec) its 2 jumps from y-mpwl (null sec providence region)

all of those (low sec) systems are capital ship jump thru points. while u might sell some ammo you'd make more money selling all 4 types of isotopes and liquid ozone


Thanks! Jump fuels is something I never considered. I have amarr ice and minmater pos so would be easy to get you at least 2 kinds of ice fuels (getting extra minmatar isotopes when I buy them for myself). But this would qualify officially as trading...

What rocks are the most isk per hour to mine? Which of your mission loot is worth more refined than sold? What blue prints make the most proffit? Answers: https://eve-industrialist.com/ Never sell an item for less than its mineral costs again!
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#18 - 2011-09-14 10:47:11 UTC
It's worth to notice that ice for a specific race can only be found from regions near/owned by that particular race!
This means that to get ice for Gallente towers / jump fuel you have to mine it from Essence, Minmatar fuel from Heimatar and so forth.
This obviously means that you get best profits by shipping Gallente fuel to Amarr and vice versa instead of selling that ice locally.
Gregor Palter
#19 - 2011-09-15 20:44:01 UTC
Not actually answering the question the OP asked but why don't you hook up with someone who LIKES trading, be it in your corp or someone outside that.

You could do some research and come up with a "% profit based on production cost" per item and come to an agreement to supply a trader with those items for the negotiated price, after which he takes care of the rest. It's like gathering minerals; you can mine for them or you can pay for them, both work and it all depends on how you want to use your own time and what you find interesting to do.

Excuses are the refuge of the weak.

Mechanoid Kryten
N0VA 5
#20 - 2011-09-15 23:53:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Mechanoid Kryten
Gregor Palter wrote:
Not actually answering the question the OP asked but why don't you hook up with someone who LIKES trading, be it in your corp or someone outside that.

You could do some research and come up with a "% profit based on production cost" per item and come to an agreement to supply a trader with those items for the negotiated price, after which he takes care of the rest. It's like gathering minerals; you can mine for them or you can pay for them, both work and it all depends on how you want to use your own time and what you find interesting to do.


That's a really good idea. I hadn't thought of it myself for a combination of reasons, but one of them is that it's a trader-style idea and i seem to stop at manufacture/invention.

I (almost) have the software infrastructure to expose my blue prints to a specific person and build whatever it is they tell me to build at a flat rate.... trade/order entry screen if you will. What would be fair you think? 6%? or 5%? I guess I'd take 4% if they come to where i live to pick it up....

Given that i mostly do small stuff even noob traders can afford to start buying and selling....

What rocks are the most isk per hour to mine? Which of your mission loot is worth more refined than sold? What blue prints make the most proffit? Answers: https://eve-industrialist.com/ Never sell an item for less than its mineral costs again!