EVE General Discussion

I feel your pain

At the moment, the big problem is Bombers. Those tubby, slow-moving battleships make wonderful targets to swarming wings of bombers, whereas the faster, smaller-sigged (and in the case of T3's equally-tough) cruisers are less vulnerable. People still use Battleships (as do we from time to time), but til the threat of bombs recedes a little, they are going to rarely be a mainstay

I enjoy using battleships semi-regularly, particularly the Barghest.

In our corp Suddenly Barghest™ has become a thing. Why just jump into something simple to go do a lol-gank? Why not take billions of ISK worth of faction battleships instead and make it an event? So we do. Nothing like dying to a Barghest and Bhaalgorn while you're trying to run your relic site in your Heron or something.

Of course though this isn't really a "fight", but you will still get some occasionally because even Suddenly Barghest™ goes bad sometimes and turns into Suddenly Brawl.

See the sacrifice we make? Putting all that on the line is a glory to Bob, even more so if it all dies.

Just think of the positive Karma coming our way when eventually Suddenly Barghest™ goes down in a ball of holy fire.

An instance was just recently in fact. One of our new pilots spots a Drake doing sites next door. Call comes over comms "Dusette, need a Barghest to static". I was dead at the time, in cryo-stasis after shooting myself in the head during an extreme psyhotic episode, but that's another story. Suffice to say my sister Dani jumped into the Barghest and off she went.

Now our intrepid new pilot was a little naive and didn't bother to link the Drake's corp in fleet. And us being somewhat furious with bloodlust at the time didn't bother to ask ...

As it turned out, after landing on grid, the Drake bait belonged to La Division Bleue, one of the largest French wormhole PVP organizations around. Of course next thing you know all the things land on grid and it's Suddenly On for everyone and their grandmothers. Of course being worth nearly 3b, Suddenly Barghest™ quickly becomes primary, but my sister managed to get it out safely, returning with a Tengu plus another sister in her Stratios where we joined the others in murdering all the French folks in a classic gank-counter-gank-counter-counter-gank style scenario, followed by Foedus yelling at our scout for risking the Barghest by not checking the Drake's corp.

So really even when it goes bad it still goes good. For someone.

Actually, this is a very good point, and it's also worth mentioning that this has only been compounded by the Power projection nerfs. With Jump Bridges and Titan Bridges getting swept up with the Power Projection changes, its made subcap fleets a lot less manouverable, and of course this is going to hit the slowest moving subcaps the hardest. If you want to go somewhere, doing it in Battleships is just an exercise in self-harm.

an orca warps as fast as a t1 battleship.... A BLOODY ORCA! I was going to do a BS roam, then I went like 2 jumps and just said no. maybe I should set up an ascendancy clone for lowsec BS fun?

also fighters and fighter bombers hit battleships rather well, so BS are vulnerable to bombers and caps. In lowsec bombers are very weak vs BS, but many parts of lowsec are rather well connected to each other making a hotdrop a real possibility. You will probably be able to run a BS for a while, but once people see you often enough they make plans.

all of this is really a shame as battleships are pretty dang awesome, and I would like to see them used more. seems that only a few people are really giving them a try though.

Interesting alliance name.. I look forward to my copy right royalties.

I remember a day when that is what you flew to fight and roam. battleships ruled the space lanes and it was a glorious time. Ravens loaded with heavy launchers firing torps or cruise, ruptures burning around at 5k and gank geddons fit with 1400 arties and 8 gyro'swith 100% tracking of even a frig.

I get why changes were made to the above, but yes battleships are near useless to fly. They still have role, but mostly high sec be that bumping or mish running in faction/techII BS.. even mission runners stay clear of the tech I variants. It's pretty sad state of affairs tbh.

So much has changed around them that I don't know where to begin to rebalance them. Bombers will be bombers, if they drop tech III correctly it's dead as well as a BS. I don't think they broke the BS I think so many tweaks to improve or nerf other ships and stats that have landed the battleship where it is now.

Maybe defender missile launchers could finally find it's place. You load them with those new blitzing fast bomb-seeking warheads?

There are a few hulls that currently work pretty well for a few niches, but over the class needs a balance pass. With boosts and implants you can rock people pretty hard still if they don't.

Can it be done by rebalancing battleship-sized modules and guns rather than rebalancing the ships, in your opinion? So that one could fit a battleship for one of your or's, or another.

Alright if you are having some kind of image of wooden ships of old side by side putting ball into each other, or maybe something like WWII with the long volleys..... the computer says no.

That a kind of warfare more akin to "second generation war" or also called "line warfare". (First generation is usually called "siege warfare" - castles and such)

Eve is more geared towards 3rd generation maneuver warfare where if you use a battleship it's more likely the center of a "support group".