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[HOLY COW] Sleepers, Jovians, and the 'Other'

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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#821 - 2015-02-18 21:03:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
HeXxploiT wrote:
I'm so confused. Can someone summarize the difference between Seeker and Drifter? For the longest time I was thinking they were the same thing.


Currently the relation isn't fully understood.
Seekers are the little circadian Seeker drones scanning everyone and being friendly, until you start shooting them. No idea if they are manned and if their allegiance is Sleepers or Drifters.

The Drifters are the guys who recently appeared in big bad battleships, equipped with weapons that grind to dust any unprepared ship (including capitals)
While they won't attack on sight, they are alot touchier then the Seekers. Approach their unidentified wormhole sites or the Uncloaked Pillars (the Jove stations) too close and they get mighty itchy with their trigger finger.
The Drifter ships are also manned by the cybernetic Jove (Drifters? Sleepers? Enheduanni?) who are part of a faction called 'Vigilant Tyrannos' who seem to be heirs or descendants of the Second Jove Empire, a period that was a golden age for the Jove, where their technology was beyond what we have today (including the Jove Directorate we know)


Also, CCP Paradox reveals the destruction numbers of the first day involving drifters:
217 capsuleer ships destroyed by the Drifters, versus 43 Drifter battleships destroyed by capsuleers

They are showing us a whole new world of pain!

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#822 - 2015-02-18 21:13:32 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
HeXxploiT wrote:
I'm so confused. Can someone summarize the difference between Seeker and Drifter? For the longest time I was thinking they were the same thing.


Currently the relation isn't fully understood.
Seekers are the little circadian Seeker drones scanning everyone and being friendly, until you start shooting them. No idea if they are manned and if their allegiance is Sleepers or Drifters.

The Drifters are the guys who recently appeared in big bad battleships, equipped with weapons that grind to dust any unprepared ship (including capitals)
While they won't attack on sight, they are alot touchier then the Seekers. Approach their unidentified wormhole sites or the Uncloaked Pillars (the Jove stations) too close and they get mighty itchy with their trigger finger.
The Drifter ships are also manned by the cybernetic Jove (Drifters? Sleepers? Enheduanni?) who are part of a faction called 'Vigilant Tyrannos' who seem to be heirs or descendants of the Second Jove Empire, a period that was a golden age for the Jove, where their technology was beyond what we have today (including the Jove Directorate we know)


Also, CCP Paradox reveals the destruction numbers of the first day involving drifters:
217 capsuleer ships destroyed by the Drifters, versus 43 Drifter battleships destroyed by capsuleers

They are showing us a whole new world of pain!




Has CODE. tried bumping them yet?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Semma-Creative Severasse
Artificial Acquisitions
#823 - 2015-02-18 21:19:43 UTC
Its cool to see Mimnatar not "mobilizing fleets" like the other factions. This clearly reflects the good standing the Jove has with the Minmatar. Heh good think I have a really good standing with Minm
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#824 - 2015-02-19 01:53:40 UTC
I'm willing to bet I can blap Drifters dead before they let off a superweapon, using some Serpentis webs and target painters to lock it down nice and snug before an 18 gun salute from siege Moroses.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#825 - 2015-02-19 01:57:16 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I'm willing to bet I can blap Drifters dead before they let off a superweapon, using some Serpentis webs and target painters to lock it down nice and snug before an 18 gun salute from siege Moroses.



Not unless they have tactical shield manipulation.

Just kidding.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#826 - 2015-02-19 01:59:19 UTC
Semma-Creative Severasse wrote:
Its cool to see Mimnatar not "mobilizing fleets" like the other factions. This clearly reflects the good standing the Jove has with the Minmatar. Heh good think I have a really good standing with Minm


Here, you wanna go crazy-go-nuts with this, imagine: The Amarr and Minmatar have shown the least distress over the appearance of the Drifters....so......somewhere in this storyline, an event will cause the Minmatar and Amarr to join forces on behalf of the Drifters/Seekers, while the Caldari and Gallente are forced to either team up or be destroyed, thus redrawing the warzones in faction warfare. Now that would be a fun twist.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#827 - 2015-02-19 06:06:15 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Semma-Creative Severasse wrote:
Its cool to see Mimnatar not "mobilizing fleets" like the other factions. This clearly reflects the good standing the Jove has with the Minmatar. Heh good think I have a really good standing with Minm


Here, you wanna go crazy-go-nuts with this, imagine: The Amarr and Minmatar have shown the least distress over the appearance of the Drifters....so......somewhere in this storyline, an event will cause the Minmatar and Amarr to join forces on behalf of the Drifters/Seekers, while the Caldari and Gallente are forced to either team up or be destroyed, thus redrawing the warzones in faction warfare. Now that would be a fun twist.



A caldari gallente alliance would be formidable.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Captain Davison
Malachi Keep Detachments
#828 - 2015-02-19 06:13:10 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Semma-Creative Severasse wrote:
Its cool to see Mimnatar not "mobilizing fleets" like the other factions. This clearly reflects the good standing the Jove has with the Minmatar. Heh good think I have a really good standing with Minm


Here, you wanna go crazy-go-nuts with this, imagine: The Amarr and Minmatar have shown the least distress over the appearance of the Drifters....so......somewhere in this storyline, an event will cause the Minmatar and Amarr to join forces on behalf of the Drifters/Seekers, while the Caldari and Gallente are forced to either team up or be destroyed, thus redrawing the warzones in faction warfare. Now that would be a fun twist.



I'm starting to think that these 'drifters'/'Vigilant Tyrannos' aren't actually Jove, but trying to make us THINK they're jove. Somebody, either sleepers or these guys, stole a whole bunch of jove bits through identity theft. And all the drifter pilots are virtually identical as far as we can tell. So... why do you need a bunch of exploded cloned jove bits, and then suddenly show up in heavily cybernetic bodies?

This is completely precluding the whole 'Minmitar would only work with the Amarr willingly if the literal apocalypse (not the battleship) was at hand and the only chance to survive was to join forces. The whole 'slavery' bit is still a bit of a sticking point.
BugraT WarheaD
#829 - 2015-02-19 10:59:00 UTC
Alliances beetwen factions that are actually in war is very unlikely.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#830 - 2015-02-19 11:45:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Here's the resist info I calculated, for anyone interested.

Overshield/Shield:

EM: 50%
Thermal: 20%
Kinetic: 50%
Explosive: 50%


Armor:
EM: 10%
Thermal: 50%
Kinetic: 50%
Explosive: 50%


Structure is 0%.


Since Armor is its toughest pure HP defense, you will want to shoot EM.
Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#831 - 2015-02-19 11:49:20 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Semma-Creative Severasse wrote:
Its cool to see Mimnatar not "mobilizing fleets" like the other factions. This clearly reflects the good standing the Jove has with the Minmatar. Heh good think I have a really good standing with Minm


Here, you wanna go crazy-go-nuts with this, imagine: The Amarr and Minmatar have shown the least distress over the appearance of the Drifters....so......somewhere in this storyline, an event will cause the Minmatar and Amarr to join forces on behalf of the Drifters/Seekers, while the Caldari and Gallente are forced to either team up or be destroyed, thus redrawing the warzones in faction warfare. Now that would be a fun twist.



I would rather drive an Amarrian flag into Matar, preferably through the body of Maleatu Shakor at the same time, than ally with those recidivists ^_^

"For it was said they had become like those peculiar demons, which dwell in matter but in whom no light may be found." - Father Grigori, Ravens 3:57

Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#832 - 2015-02-19 11:49:50 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I'm willing to bet I can blap Drifters dead before they let off a superweapon, using some Serpentis webs and target painters to lock it down nice and snug before an 18 gun salute from siege Moroses.

The Overshield resets all damage to the shield.

So it'd be two shots.
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#833 - 2015-02-19 11:49:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Nami Kumamato
Ned Thomas wrote:
Semma-Creative Severasse wrote:
Its cool to see Mimnatar not "mobilizing fleets" like the other factions. This clearly reflects the good standing the Jove has with the Minmatar. Heh good think I have a really good standing with Minm


Here, you wanna go crazy-go-nuts with this, imagine: The Amarr and Minmatar have shown the least distress over the appearance of the Drifters....so......somewhere in this storyline, an event will cause the Minmatar and Amarr to join forces on behalf of the Drifters/Seekers, while the Caldari and Gallente are forced to either team up or be destroyed, thus redrawing the warzones in faction warfare. Now that would be a fun twist.


What I find crazy-nuts is that CONCORD has a Jovian bat-phone.
They even presumably have a Jovian representative in the Inner Circle (however we know they have not been in contact for a long time - since the Sansha incursion in Jove space if I'm not mistaking).
So have they tried contacting him (in the light of recent events) ?
And if they did, have the Jove replied ?
And if they replied - what was their response?

I find it hard to believe that the minute advanced Jove tech starts shooting things in Empire space, not to mention Jove stations uncloaking in our backyard, CONCORD is not overheating the Jovian bat-phone.

If all CONCORD got was "Your message was seen on [insert stellar date here]" - things don't sound so good.

Fornicate The Constabulary !

Anthar Thebess
#834 - 2015-02-19 13:09:28 UTC
I think that at some point they will just come and kill group that was killing them since they show up.
NPC factions are not attacking them , so this leaves only capsulers.
Have you noticed that they have in their corp decryption :
Controlled systems : 0
Controlled stations : 0
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#835 - 2015-02-19 15:46:00 UTC
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
I'm willing to bet I can blap Drifters dead before they let off a superweapon, using some Serpentis webs and target painters to lock it down nice and snug before an 18 gun salute from siege Moroses.

The Overshield resets all damage to the shield.

So it'd be two shots.

Once you get through the "blue" shields, everyone that has a lock on it is broken, and whoever knocked it's shield out suddenly explodes...

...

Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#836 - 2015-02-19 17:31:46 UTC
BugraT WarheaD wrote:
Alliances beetwen factions that are actually in war is very unlikely.

Technically.. Only the Amarr and Minmatar are truly at war.

Gal/Cal have occasional skirmishes, but as a general rule they don't go looking for fights. (Luminiare was more an opportunity that couldn't be passed up, than a resurgence of war.. hence why nothing really happened after it.) Hell it's not the first time a major event happened between these two powers that could have lead to full scale war but both sites declined.. Kamikaze Nyx anyone? Caldari Prime also is a rather special case in relations, being the Caldari Homeworld, and in Gal space..

As a Gal, I personally would rather be working with the Caldari, than the Minmatar. Despite history, both sides are cultural.. compatable? They were together for a long time, so they already understand eachother. Neither side has shown any interest in a major war, expansion, etc. Both have stable Gov't, strong economies. And while I feel for the Minmatar, they do sometimes act like spoiled brats. What really irked me with them was right after Caldari Prime, the Minm sent a fleet into Gal space to try and retrieve a Prisoner. Now they got beat down, hard, but if this is what we can expect from our Allies, then I'd rather be with the Caldari, where they are less emotional and more, looking at the bottom line, so to speak.

Lastly, the Alliance between the Amarr and Caldari isn't one based on culture, shared ideals, etc. For the Caldari, it's about business, for the Amarr it's a buffer against the Gal.

Not to mention the fact that on a socio-economic way, the Caldari-Galtente are likely the two most closely tied empires. Right down to joint businesses.. I don't think you'll find any Amarr-Minmatar co-op's.



It is also worth reminding everyone that all empires HAVE worked together before, as a unified force. It's how the Sansha were originally defeated. They are more than able to do it if they feel it's in their benefit (or no other choice).


Personally.. I think Gal-Caldari getting closer, and Gal-Minm getting farther apart would make for some interesting events..
But this is all a little OT for the Drifter talk.

I think we need some drifters on the Jita undock.. maybe.. 40 or so.. I feel good things could come from this :)
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#837 - 2015-02-19 21:15:50 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
I'm willing to bet I can blap Drifters dead before they let off a superweapon, using some Serpentis webs and target painters to lock it down nice and snug before an 18 gun salute from siege Moroses.

The Overshield resets all damage to the shield.

So it'd be two shots.

Once you get through the "blue" shields, everyone that has a lock on it is broken, and whoever knocked it's shield out suddenly explodes...

I know?
Semma-Creative Severasse
Artificial Acquisitions
#838 - 2015-02-19 23:05:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Semma-Creative Severasse
Captain Davison wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Semma-Creative Severasse wrote:
Its cool to see Mimnatar not "mobilizing fleets" like the other factions. This clearly reflects the good standing the Jove has with the Minmatar. Heh good think I have a really good standing with Minm


Here, you wanna go crazy-go-nuts with this, imagine: The Amarr and Minmatar have shown the least distress over the appearance of the Drifters....so......somewhere in this storyline, an event will cause the Minmatar and Amarr to join forces on behalf of the Drifters/Seekers, while the Caldari and Gallente are forced to either team up or be destroyed, thus redrawing the warzones in faction warfare. Now that would be a fun twist.



I'm starting to think that these 'drifters'/'Vigilant Tyrannos' aren't actually Jove, but trying to make us THINK they're jove. Somebody, either sleepers or these guys, stole a whole bunch of jove bits through identity theft. And all the drifter pilots are virtually identical as far as we can tell. So... why do you need a bunch of exploded cloned jove bits, and then suddenly show up in heavily cybernetic bodies?

This is completely precluding the whole 'Minmitar would only work with the Amarr willingly if the literal apocalypse (not the battleship) was at hand and the only chance to survive was to join forces. The whole 'slavery' bit is still a bit of a sticking point.



My assumption is that they are Jove, that either hit a limit with genetic modifications, turned to cybernetic. OR got exiled by the Jove becuase of their cybernetic mods, hence the name "Drifters". We all know how the Jove used to believe in genetic mods

They could be exploring with seekers to try and find new technologies. But I doubt that, considering how much more advanced they are.

I'm excited to see what we can learn from them though. New T3s, something like from sleeper loot (tactical destroyers), but from drifter loot (still don't like the idea of shooting them) or from SOE reaching out to contact
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#839 - 2015-02-20 00:42:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Im trying to figure out if I have it in me this weekend to do more sisi Drifter testing. I'm thinking no. They're more common in the south? Is that what I read? Moving myself around is most of the hassle, and having to search for drifters makes it even worse.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#840 - 2015-02-20 15:02:58 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I'm willing to bet I can blap Drifters dead before they let off a superweapon, using some Serpentis webs and target painters to lock it down nice and snug before an 18 gun salute from siege Moroses.


6 Moroses? :nods: perhaps

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY