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Working on my ECM Frigate - Comments, idea's, tips or advice

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Dante Romanov
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-02-19 01:30:12 UTC
Greetings fellow Capsuleers!

I am currently focusing heavily on ECM, my entire SP plan is based of it for the next 57.9 days, and i am looking to stay focused on it throughout my PvP career, and yes, i know it means ill be primary the whole time, i don't care, i have worked out ways to neglect damage as much as possible, although ill still go pop most of the time, but please keep in mind when looking at my fit this is to fly with a Frigate roam, not for massive fleet stuff or that, think EVE Uni roams and the like and you'd be pretty close (Attempting to join the Uni now :D can't wait!), anyways, onto the fit aye?

[Kitsune, S.W.A. Shutdown]

Low Slots:
'Hypnos' Signal Distortion Amplifier I
'Hypnos' Signal Distortion Amplifier I

Mid Slots:
BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM
Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I
'Umbra' White Noise ECM

High Slots:
Compact Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Compact Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Compact Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile

Rigs:
Small Particle Dispersion Augmentor II
Small Ionic Field Projector II

Cargo:
'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I x3
Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I x3
BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM x3
'Umbra' White Noise ECM x3
Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile x500
Mobile Depot x1

Implants:
Low-grade Centurion Alpha
Low-grade Centurion Beta
Low-grade Centurion Gamma
Low-grade Centurion Delta
Low-grade Centurion Epsilon
Low-grade Centurion Omega

Okay so the stats for this thing are as follows:

CPU: 237/337.5 tf
PG: 32.2/32.5 MN
Shield Resists: 0%60%/55%/50%
Armour Resists: 50%/72.5%/43.8%/10%
DPS: 36.8 - 392 Volley
Jamming Strength: 11.9 at 106 km Optimal (13.3 at 106 km Optimal on Overheat)
Cap: 81.9% Stable
Max Targets: 7
Locking Range: 106 km
Scan Res: 650 mm
Sensor Strength 28.8
Speed (With AB):932 m/s
Align Time: 6.24s
Signature: 47
Warp Speed: 5.5 AU
Total ISK Investment: 36.3M ISK

So yeah, this will be what i can do within 57.9 days, so what you think? The Jammers on Overheat each last 1m20s because i am using the AB as a Heat Sink of sorts, i don't know if it is a clitch in my EFT program though.. Does it work like this? Anyways, looking forward to your feedback! :D
Valkin Mordirc
#2 - 2015-02-19 04:21:47 UTC
To slow. If you can be caught by a cruiser your not doing it right. Get rid of the LML and fit a Micro. You'll need to tank by using range than anything else.
#DeleteTheWeak
Dante Romanov
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-02-19 04:26:08 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
To slow. If you can be caught by a cruiser your not doing it right. Get rid of the LML and fit a Micro. You'll need to tank by using range than anything else.


It is a range tank, moving at 900+ m/s with a Sig of 47 is impossible to hit almost, a MWD makes my Sig in larger then some Cruisers, won't that negate the speed boost by making me easier to hit and taking more damage from Missiles? And at 100-90km away i will have time to hit the Warp To button, because ill already be aligned, sorry, i am still new at this..

And with the Launchers, would it be better to just pick up to pick up the MWD and drop all the Launchers for a SB and 2 Salvagers, or even 3 Salvagers? Just to Salvage any T2/T3 wreaks we manage to make..?
Valkin Mordirc
#4 - 2015-02-19 04:31:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
The point of the Micro is to stay out of range longer before you get blapped or forced off grid.

Using Light Missiles is completely pointless because your going to be out side of your own range regardless. If you want to be fit an ECM role your point is to jam not deal any sort of DPS so focus more on staying on field for longer so your jams are more effective.

Even though with an AB you can dodge a few more shots once your in range of a gang, you'll be forced out field by one stray MWD cruiser or another AB Frigate. And that will be the time when the enemy gangs logi will become fully effective again.


And the fact that your only going 900m/s means a triple plate MWD Mega could force you off grid eventually. You want to be as fast as possible. Even to point for you might want to change your rigs to incress your velocity rather then jamming strength/range
#DeleteTheWeak
Dante Romanov
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-02-19 04:38:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Dante Romanov
Every guide i have read for ECM (EVE Uni, The Mittani, Reddit, ect.) have all said as soon as you get your jams off and get locked Warp Out if the enemy is in range, as a dead Kitsune isn't going to jam anything, you Warp out first sign of trouble and Warp back in at a Bookmark somewhere else near the fight and rinse and repeat, never stay still, ship can't eat a volley from anything respectable, the AB is just there so i can orbit at 100km of the centre of the fight, and so if someone does come after me, i can stay on field a little longer to get another jam off, even the fastest ships will take 18 seconds to get in range of me and point me (Unless it is a Garmur) and if I'm burning away from them that gives me an addition 6-8 seconds before they can point, that might be enough time to jam them, or jam another logi..

I shouldn't be keeping up with anybody really.. I should be so far away from other ships that sending people out to actually hurt me will hurt there ability to deal with the rest of my fleet, on that as well, remember this is for Frigate gangs.. No Frigate can even lock me out of 50km, worst case i fit a cloak, hit it when i see someone coming for me, and move away (I can still cloak so long as they aren't locking, yes it will hurt my lock speed but once i de-cloak and Warp away and come back the Cloak thing should be done so ill be locking a full speed again)..

Plus it is Missiles that I'm worried about, some Dessys and Frigates can hit out to 50-70km+ if I'm MWD, then ill be taking all the damage, might even pop me if it is Medium sized stuff.. Unless I'm doing the numbers wrong..Apologies again
Valkin Mordirc
#6 - 2015-02-19 04:45:12 UTC
*Shrugs*


You asked for advice I gave you mine.


My experience with the ECM is that I'm more effective the longer I can stay on grid.

Your right about missiles, so don't think I'm telling you your wrong. Bouncing about with ECM is going to happen.
#DeleteTheWeak
Dante Romanov
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-02-19 04:52:46 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
*Shrugs*


You asked for advice I gave you mine.


My experience with the ECM is that I'm more effective the longer I can stay on grid.

Your right about missiles, so don't think I'm telling you your wrong. Bouncing about with ECM is going to happen.


Wasn't trying to shoot you down man, you were using Megathrons as references, when i said it would only be fro Frigate stuff, i have my Falcon and Window for later on when i get into the bigger stuff, haha!

And yeah, while you might be right about being on grid longer helps, this is how i look at it, once i jam 4 people (If god deems me worthy of course) I will have 20s of them being jammed, by that time i will have drawn attention, by that i mean a few fast movers will be aiming at me and burning, if i warp out, and then warp in to the other side of the battle and do the same within 20s then I'm still just as effective as if i stayed on the field, also, it will keep several elements from the enemy busy chasing me around.

Isn't the reason for being ECM to be the biggest thorn in your opponents ass? If i am jamming 4 of the bad guys Logi's (or 4 DPS ships or other ECM ships) plus they are having to divert long range or fast moving tackle/point to take me out, am i not doing that job better then is expected? That was how i was looking at it.

So sorry if i seemed like i was shooting you down man, the last few people i have asked about this have shot it down and told me to do heaps of other stuff like tank it and stupid stuff that isn't worth it, and they aren't even ECM pilots, and the other few i told think it is a beast, i mean, even you have to admit, being in a Frigate able to lock and jam within my Optimal rating at 105km is awesome! :)
Valkin Mordirc
#8 - 2015-02-19 04:57:41 UTC
Whatever you do, please don't use a Widow as an ECM boat. It's WAAAY to expensive. A Falcon or Rook is going to be your best thing for ECM. D=
#DeleteTheWeak
Dante Romanov
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-02-19 05:02:54 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Whatever you do, please don't use a Widow as an ECM boat. It's WAAAY to expensive. A Falcon or Rook is going to be your best thing for ECM. D=


But.. But.. I already have one in my Hanger :( oh well :P I like Ishukone colours better :P I will be in the Kitsune for 2.3 months based off my plan, i want to get my full Cert. for ECM before moving on to the Falcon, then i will have 9.1 months in that at minimum :D I planned a long away ahead :D

One question, Rook or Falcon? I was considering the Rook for small scale stuff (gangs of 5-10) as it can do some decent DPS and have a tank with 3 Multispecs..
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-02-19 12:49:43 UTC
multispec jammers are not very good.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#11 - 2015-02-20 04:38:58 UTC
Dante Romanov wrote:
Every guide i have read for ECM (EVE Uni, The Mittani, Reddit, ect.).....


You'll be wanting an MWD, not an AB. The launchers are surplus to requirements.

Kitsunes are nice, but in all honesty, I find Griffins are every bit as effective. That third rigslot shouldn't be underestimated.

Practice your bookmark-fu and don't try and be a hero.

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Dante Romanov
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-02-20 05:06:25 UTC
Quote:
multispec jammers are not very good.


I know but everything has its place

Quote:
You'll be wanting an MWD, not an AB. The launchers are surplus to requirements.

Kitsunes are nice, but in all honesty, I find Griffins are every bit as effective. That third rigslot shouldn't be underestimated.

Practice your bookmark-fu and don't try and be a hero.


Oh, both my Kitsune fit and my Blackbird have them in there fits, AB was just there so i could have some DPS if necessary, worked a little last night when we got a guys pod.. It hasn't come up in my zKillboard though.. Just my loss.. Don't know what is happening there..

And My Kitsune fit wins out over a Griffon in everything but ISK pricing, my Kitsune is 20mil more, but i wouldn't be PvP'ing if i wasn't ready to loose some ISK, so i think i might bridge to a Blackbird for a bit, gives me enough tank to absorb some damage and make the Warp Out, haha!

And don't worry, i am one with the bookmark! :D