Intergalactic Summit

i for one welcome our new Drifter overlords

Doesn't this seem a bit ... premature? If they're not on a war footing with us now (and they don't quite seem to be), they sure will be if CONCORD puts bounties on them and we all start hunting them in force.

There's a possibility they're hostile to specific ship classes and designs. Since we're about the only people around who change our skins so easily, it's understandable if they have trouble telling which faction we're from.

By the way, if someone flying an SoE ship has NOT been shot at on sight, please speak up?

Shall we repeat the same mistakes again and again ?

Do you remember Sansha's firsts incursions ? Almost no one reacted to the firsts events, until we learned that they were abudcting civilians.

Already we made the mistake of not doing anything to counter the Circadians Seekers, while they were scanning us, analyzing our tech, probably to develop the best counters to our ships. Remember the Battle of Vak'Atioth, where the Jovians developped a ship specifically for this encounter ? The Drifter's armada may be old in age, but i'm sure that they didn't chose theyr weapons randomly.

This is only the first step. If we don't react now, what will be the next step ? They may attack Capsuleer Structures next, causing a crippling blow to our capacity to react afterwards !

The CONCORD Emergency Militia War Powers Act already enforce the war between the 4 Main Empires who compose CONCORD, dealing with any irregular you can cite. Either CONCORD recognize the Drifters Organization (and not the Jove as a whole, remember than almost all Pirates Organization are a subfaction who derivated from on of the Mains Empires) as Pirates, or they explicitely state that those forces are from the Jove Directorate.

As we saw DED's Genesis Fleet going in High Alert initally, it is almost certain that those Drifters are NOT from the Jove Directorate. Hence, they should be treated as invaders and labelled as Pirates by CONCORD.

We cannot take the luxery to wait for the Drifters to reveal what they want, by that time it'll be too late. CONCORD waited when the Elder fleet came, and we all saw how that ended.

Mr. Tarikla,

CONCORD's mobilization is a precautionary measure. Also, not to get into a discussion about CONCORD, I would not describe CONCORD as having a history of measured responses.

In any event, there are currently too many open questions to just classify the Drifters as a pirate organization. Make no mistake, they are currently a hazard. However, it must be acknowledged that Drifters are not universally aggressive. There have been distinct cases in which they have not been aggressive.

The Drifters have only been overtly active for a day. We don't know enough right now to draw conclusions. The best thing that can be done right now is to remain calm, vigilant and observant. We need time to collect information and draw conclusions before we do anything rash.

CONCORD would not exist if not for the Jove, and you want CONCORD to take action against the Drifters?

We should also not mistake "Jovian" for "The Jove." There is probably a very good reason they fly under a different insignia. We also distinguish them with the moniker "Drifter" which is something of note that further divides them from the upper plateau's of "The Jove."

Many of us identify ourselves by many different subsets; Liberal, Dove, Tribalist, Hawk, Practical, Provist. Let's not be so hasty in assuming a few represent the express wishes of the whole.

Just yet at least.

-K. Amsel

This is our home turf, not theirs.

And besides, the vast majority of capsuleers on this forum have stated quite clearly in past posts that they believe defense of your home is not a legitimate reason to attack someone.

Or we can act knowing that unknown entities are breaching our sovereign space and setting up illegal monitoring stations, staging grounds, and weapons caches. These things are not welcome and need to be removed. If these sleepers or Jove or robots or whatever they are want diplomacy, then they can send a letter from their space, after they are removed from our space.

And I'm sure they knew all about our laws and sovereignty.

Your attitude is understandable, Samira, but we do seem to be in a first contact situation here-- not with a new species, of course, but with what is at least potentially a heretofore unknown civilization.

Also, as Eran points out, they may be coming home. Their facilities (assuming those facilities are theirs, anyway) seem to have been here for some time-- maybe all along.

The threat is genuine, I agree. I just don't agree what sort of threat it is. We need to not only watch them, but ourselves, as well.

Keep talking about what we all don't know.