Crime & Punishment

Its only soft for people who want to live in highsec, nobody forces you to stay there and last time i looked null and lowsec were pretty harsh, you want harsh fly a vindicator into null or lowsec and see how long a blingy ship and pod will last

You only say its getting soft because its changing so you cant just bully defencless players

EVE hasn't been getting too soft, you simply focus purely on changes you hate, so all you remember is it getting soft. But regardless, if you don't like EVE, you can always just biomass, otherwise, HTFU.


bully
verb
gerund or present participle: bullying
use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force them to do something.

Technically it happens every day, it's just allowed.

I usually like your posts but SP loss on death was a stupid mechanic. It's not like there was some meaningful decision making or compelling gameplay associated with it, it was just an extra few buttons you had to click every time you died coupled with an incentive for older characters not to do fun things. EVE had a whole bunch of terrible mechanics that added nothing but busywork and obfuscation when it was first created and the fact that some of them have managed to make it for 10 years isn't an argument for their continued existence.

Can't wait to see attributes eat **** next.

Was there a "meaningful" contribution to the game with SP loss? No, likely not. I included it in my listing because it was something that cost you (sometimes dearly) if you didnt remember to complete the process. I dont expect to sway anyone's opinion on the matter, but for me, it was something that made the game just that much harder. I like knowing that if I mess up, I am gonna pay for it.

Not being an older capsuleer may have something to do with my views as well, as I have really only been playing around 2 years. (My birthdate was followed immediately by my first deployment, so I look "older" than I really am.)



Avoding wardecs is just as simple, its just done slightly different. All you have to do is drop corp. Done. I wouldnt call that a buff to consequences.

I dont have any experience with the orca or dissapear from space mechanics you mention. Likely before my time. But, your right on those. I am corrected.

As for the pro ganking stance, I think you misunderstand my aim.

I am not arguing for ganker's rights. I have ganked in the past, but I dont consider myself either for it or against it. Its part of the game, and I appreciate the impact that it has. Nothing more, nothing less.

I just dont want any more sand thrown from the box. You may not agree with AWOXing as a mechanic, but some people really enjoyed it. Maybe tomorrow they will remove something YOU like from the game. Maybe the next day, it will be something that I like. That road doesnt take us anywhere either of us want to be.

Lastly, bullying.

I suppose, from a technical standpoint, you are correct. I have seen players pick on one another. I dont agree, however, that it should be something that actually has an affect on a PERSON on the other end of the screen, and I stand by my point that if you allow someone to cause you real life grief over internet pixels that this is something you should stop playing, and really... not kidding... seek some help about. Its a game.

Wormhole space .. no local, no stations, NPCs with next generation AI to kill players' ships more efficiently.

It's unlikely there is a conspiracy at CCP to make EVE "softer", since its harshness differentiates it from other games. They're just pruning some of the weirder unintended side effects of past design choices.

and the harder bits are where you find all the newest, coolest stuff. Low risk modes of play will always exist, but they are increasingly the most boring and stale.

Stop comparing the removal of awoxing to what happened to dec-shielding. One is an intended game feature that existed since the game came out in 2003, and the other was an obvious exploit of intended game mechanics that had no counter, and was deemed as such by the developers when it was finally addressed.


Have you seen the way they're advertising the removal of awoxing as an exciting, new feature?

http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/communityassets/img/frontpage/promo/slideshow_Corp-chg-blog_en.png

Look at the way they're doing it; it's insane. "Take control of friendly-fire!"

You're going to look at that banner and tell me that it's not an attempt to draw the browser flash game safety crowd to EVE by touting the mechanical ability to prevent aggression as the major selling point of a content update?

Do you not realize how much of a slap in the face this is, after all the debates and pleading we've went through? They could have at least let this quietly slip in, without making a subset of pvp-minded players feel as if they're marginalized and no longer welcome in the game due to abusing some oversight in its rules for their own benefit.

The banner makes it feel like they're fixing something unintentional, as opposed to something that was spoken of as a core feature of the game by its developers in ages past.

And it was. I remember reading plenty of complaint threads in which CCP devs openly stated that "friendly fire" was a critical component that was necessary for EVE's image and functionality. And now, suddenly, it's not. Look how insanely quickly they got rid of it, too; just a few months. Dec-shielding, an actual exploit, existed on a visible scale for almost four years.

What a preposterous thing to say. Next you'll say that boxing is a game of criminal assault against another person. You clearly have no clue what bullying really is.

And when you log in to Eve you're agreeing to participate in the activity of playing Eve. All of it, not just the parts you want to play.

Lol? Dec shielding wasn't deemed an exploit, it was simply phased out with the wardec changes. Awoxing is the same. It was once part of the corp mechanics as a way for corps to train and compete with each other. As part of the corp changes it's being changed to a an option rather than a set feature.

I think you're overthinking that. That banner is pretty much the least they could put up that explains the change they made. It certainly doesn't scream "come to EVE it's just like WoW now".

I'm going to go with: not even remotely a slap in the face. They've added an option which has been missing for a long time for a mechanic which made no sense (you can't shoot blues or even purples, yet you can shoot greens), and affects a small group of people who want the easiest form of highsec awoxing.

Devs have stated a lot of things which they've later gone back on. As time progresses mechanics change, that's just the way it is. And once again, dec shielding wasn't an exploit, it was simply "friendly" wardecs to make aggressive wardecs too expensive. You are probably thinking of wardec evasion which used to be an exploit for about 10 minutes before they came to their senses.

At the end of the day though, if you don't like it, quit. If you're gonna stay, HTFU.