EVE General Discussion

Wardecs - ruinous to newbie corps, minor inconvenience and generally irrelevant to everyone else.

So, you'd support just removing them then?

Customs Offices would be invincible I believe once they are put up unless concord ignores aggression on player owned structures.

Concluding he's advocating removing them from his statement though is a bit of a leap. He may or may not, but I don't see how you get that from that statement. You can just as easily tweak the mechanic in a way that it is not so ruinous to newbie corps.

I think this is happening with "social" corps though I do not know exactly what characteristics they will have.

I made a wrong choice when i started the game an basically joined a corp i shouldn't have, after that no one worth there salt would recruit me cause they thought i was a spy lol so i just gave up, now i just drift between the stars man :P

I see the idea behind wardecs, but the reality is they are used first and foremost as a harassment tool.

Thought even with out wardecs you lose players to **** like what happend to me last night

I was suicide ganked and poded in a .6 while mining. I;ve have played for awhile so I get why it happened. Had i been a new player I would have probably unsubed before the guy posted the kill mail.

the game is just not new player friendly, **** its not even old player friendly. Its not that its a bad game, thought the issue of new players never being able to catch up is problematic.

Way back when, that other sandbox called Star Wars Galaxies also had wardecs... any guild could declare war on any other guild, even if they belonged to the same faction. There was one crucial difference that made it actually fun, though: the guild leader of the guild that was 'attacked' actually had to accept the war for it to activate, and both parties could end the war instantly if agreed rules of engagement were broken.

We had several fairly massive faction wars (600+ v 600+), with all rebel PVP guilds declaring on all imperial PVP guilds, and even just 'let's kill stuff wars' with all PVPers randomly joining a Red guild or a Blue guild, independent of faction (note: husband versus wife and mutual gankage leading to very amusing TS audio clips)...Point being, those who wanted to fight, fought. Those who didn't want to, didn't. And fun was had by all.

I really wouldn't mind seeing the current EVE system replaced by the SWG system.

There is a real issue of correlation being incorrectly viewed as causality here. The correlation between players leaving the game having not joined PCs does not mean there is any type of causal relationship. I can think of many explanations from actual exposure to new players in rookie help as to why correlation exists but no causality. Many of them have to do with the most recent MMO player profile.

Newer MMO players in general have no intent of ever staying with any MMO for the long term. They view MMOs as console games to be played to an some end point and then leaving and playing another one. The tools that many of us see to create community they see as just chat added to their console game and cringe at the idea of cooperative game play with others. This is exhibited several ways. They view subscriptions as being charged again and again for the same console game content, not as investing in continuing quality environment. They want a single price to play like a console game, or they want FTP, or they want to work in game to play. Just go watch rookie chat for any length of time. There is a constant stream of how can I earn enough to get plex to leave trial and never have to pay the subscription price? They want to know why in the world a game would allow solo WH exploration or solo .2 sec mining to have the chance of losing their gear they have spent ever isk to get. They are leaving because they were always going to leave and they aren't joining PCs because they were always going to leave and they never viewed PC play as part of completing the console content. EVE Online is absolutely the worse game for this new type of MMO wannabe console player.

Now as far as my own reasons for not joining PCs in the same fashion as I have in the past.

I have come left and come back to EVE many times since 2007, in the past my character that I intended to get the most out of game immersion has been my main and has been the one that would join a LS or NS PC.

I have been in NS many times and never had to provide anything more than the old limited API, corporate security was a matter of roles and through interaction with and inclusion of the entire PC member base. And those corps knew about every one of my alts and generally why I had them and what I was doing with them, without insisting on knowing every aspect of their existence and the details of their HS and market activities. I contributed above and beyond to the corporate and alliance objectives through both my PC membership and nonmembership alts.

But this is no longer an environment where that is the case. PCs that have no knowledge or willingness to properly use roles are insisting on full APIs well because others do it, so we should to, is complete BS. They don't know what they actually need vs what they don't because they don't know what to do with any of it. But there is a huge risk of what they could do with the information if things don't go well and you go separate ways later. Things that had nothing to do with corp security can then be used against you later because they got the full API and know a lot about your style of play, what you own, what you do, where you live.

Then there is the whole fact that having any corp history in and of itself is now a dangerous thing. If you joined a corp that didn't work out for any reason, that corp's CEO and directors can say whatever they want about you when you try to join another corp. You better join the right corp the first time because your character will not get a second chance without being tainted.

So today the choices are try and join a hyper-paranoid corp that is going to meta-scrub every second of your history and treat you like a criminal from day one or give way too much information to people who don't know what to do with it until they want to screw YOU. Hence, why people frequently post on alts that will never do anything in game because just posting can have negative consequences later to joining a corp.

So now my sad undesired solution is that my high SP characters that should be in PC but because they have any history at all (that would not have affected my play now) will now be in NPC corps where they will not have to risk having information about their activities abused in the future. I have started a brand new account with a brand new character with an API that will essentially be devoid of informational value. I neither want to steal nor AWOX, but this is a game and I will not subject myself to a rectal exam to join a corp. Corps should be using the proper tools for corporate security, roles and knowing your members. And if you are too big to know and involve your members, well what kind of community is that anyway.

im a returning player after years ago and 1 of the corps I applied to for FW, I had to apply online, apply in the game, wait in their public channel to be called for an interview then go to their mumble and do the interview.

A Wormhole corp I applied to at the same time has stated that I am suspicious because I have 2 untrained charcters on my account from way back when I was toying with different weapons before I quit which marks me as a spy.

They should make it so you can only be a member of an NPC corp for say one month. After that you have to join a player run corp of your own choice, start your own corp, or get syphoned into a holding corp with same characteristics as a player run corp. Player run corps are more fun anyway. At the very least they usually have less taxes than NPC corps.