CSM Campaigns

Hi Steve,

i am happy last time i have voted for you with all my 7 accounts. But now i want to hear about your feeling, since you define yourself a small scale T2 highsec producer.

You have written, some posts ago, about conflict tweaking, that the holistic point of view you one has to adopt has to protect high sec people by not going elsewhere (or more realistictly quitting). I agree.

But then you have written that in your opinion industry is good.

There is a feeling out there, instead, that in highsec it's basically disgregarded. I am (was) a pretty big hs manufacturer, able to run over 250 inventions each 25 hours (just to define intensive), and what i actually see is that:

1. inventions is easier (not unhappy with that, UI has had nice improvements) -> lower entry level
2. manufacturing processes in HS are no longer profitable

The second point deserves an explaination.

Production times went down -> more production in the same time unit -> more supply
HS industry costs unreasonably went up -> thinner margins

With this given, it's clear (and not unpublicized) that CCP wants to push people in 0.0.

But there is a point that ALWAYS made me crazy. We are not talking about a free to play game with power items where who wants can spend money to achieve more, we are talking about a game where EVERYONE pays, but the ones that don't want / can't afford a given lifestyle can quitely die.

Plexes prices go up, margins are thinner and hisec lifestyle can barely tank this. Would you define this balanced ?

I was not after an easy industry (never made it in the easy), there would not be competition, and when years ago people wanted to scale up, they could. More accounts, more bandwidth, more profits, because of a hugely bigger effort.

Today also that approach, in hs, is useless.

Since you are an hisec industrialist, what's your feeling with that ?

Regards,
BM

Hey mate,

thanks for the reply.

I have some objections. First, whoever does mass production resupplies in Jita (except for capital/sc builders, which take PART of their supply in Jita). High/low/null producers do the same, so no advantage for anyone. Hardcore producers raise Jita materials prices of 15-25 % when they restock in Jita, and there's no chance to find suppliers for such numbes, not even in null.


Logistics is a benefits ? I think that is easier to jump multiple jfs in some place other than moving really expensive cargos around.

I moved freighters by 25/30 B per run in the past (which was risky then, is impossible now). And that was clear when i made capital production, with my jf moving 15 B stuff from jita to low sec with just 1 jump.

The cost point is partially true, but then again i was talking about people wanting to use the brain to push the game in the limits they can afford. It's true that you can find good spots to produce, but a real massproducer might be forced to move any now and then, and such "effort", in terms of business, is a cost (relocating 3 dg towers each 1 or 2 months ?).

Most people hidden in null can starvate there producing in a very stable scenario (which they deserve, of course, because they can give the time it takes), and this takes us to my only and initial question: aren't we (carebear and "uber" players) paying the same money for the same game ?

Note: i am note aggressing you, it's just the love for the discussion. kudos to you anytime anywhere ;-)

To, initially, get into industry, it should be easy. Production efficiency was a bad skill, because there was no choice involved at all. Just 'Have it at 5, or GTFO' when it came to pretty much any industry.

However, I don't want to see industry any more flattened than it is already, and would argue against any changes in that direction.

Gah. Nice question. My gut feel response is: Remain passive for the actual production step. We already have issues with production speed, so either those get worse, or you have to cripple it without the boost.

Unless you worked on a 'You have X production units per facility/slot. These normally get used over 24 hours, but an activity can cause them to be used faster'. So your overall production is the same speed, but you can accelerate 'bits' of it. Would have to be at a character level.

Steve,
This year I'm starting to have a look at the running CSM candidates in a bit more depth, and I've written a short review of your campaign, which can be found here.

Never don't vote for Steve.

Let those who will complain about the meta or bloc votes or politics. Steve has done a whole bunch of work to get technical issues sorted out and made EVE better for everyone. If he's not in your top 5, you haven't thought carefully about this.

Other than (once) having someone contract me for a bunch of 425mm Rails, none. (They ended up not taking them. which left me a few hundred million down)

I'd love to see an ability to contract production out, with contracts which, once accepted, have X days to have delivery, and cannot be cancelled. Maybe with collateral from both sides, for completion.

Heh. That's actually pretty close to what I've been kicking round. It's not a major part of the CSM job to propose things, but they humour us by letting us do it anyway.

https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/2013/05/31/mining-rights/ for example. There's another post somewhere in science and industry, where I reiterated it.

I've tossed it up into the suggestions (rather than proposals, which is for smaller change requests, which have more chance to be done) section of the CSM confluence

Hopefully, when there's a team which isn't snowed under by the bigger things already in progress (sov, structures, corps, that kind of thing) it'll get picked up

Got my vote again this year. Your pages and support articles are great for my indy alt.

Steve has my vote, by far.

One of the best candidates I've seen, and I feel that FuzzySteve is one of the best possible candidates.

+1, and +5000 if I could.