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carrier/dread in a c2

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Adolph Weltschmerz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-02-17 17:16:37 UTC
Hello

Quick question to the wormhole community:

Will building carrier/dreads in a c2 for defence/pos rep make you safer or just make you a juicier target?

Fighter support for home defence seems alluring, but not if it leads to overwhelming invations or evictions.

Thoughts?

Thanks

A
Bleedingthrough
#2 - 2015-02-17 17:20:53 UTC
Adolph Weltschmerz wrote:


a juicier target




this
Aladar Dangerface
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-02-17 17:21:41 UTC
Depends who you use it against/**** off with it. If you throw it at everthing you fight you will end up on someones radar.

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#4 - 2015-02-17 17:29:15 UTC
Building a carrier in a c2 to rep up pos mods or pos shields is not uncommon and I'd also not call it stupid. Carriers are fairly cheap and a simple chimera/nid will do great already.

On the other hand, a dread doesn't make as much sense. Unlike a carrier, it's not a great force multiplier (especially bang for buck side) for your existing fleet, but rather needs a fleet just tailored to support the dread in order to apply any damage and thus be useful.

So, if you're a reasonably sizeable group then a carrier is a very handy tool to have if you both intend to stay in this hole for quite a while and can afford to buy one with your pocket change. Wouldn't save up on one.

Anyhow, people won't come and RF your tower *because* there is a carrier in your possession, unless you're inactive and the carrier floating or you got the habit of exposing it. It is however an excellent choice for bait, repping up POS-shields or defending in general for the first time. The second time they'll surely come to kill the carrier, not the POS.
Tim Nering
R3d Fire
#5 - 2015-02-17 18:28:27 UTC
it is very simple, if u want to fly caps in w-space just go live in a c5 or c6. otherwise u are being an idiot.

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Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#6 - 2015-02-17 18:47:14 UTC
it's a good idea you should do it

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Keskora Yaari
POS Party
Ember Sands
#7 - 2015-02-17 19:23:31 UTC
I think it all depends on how you intend to use your cap(s). I would not bank on your cap(s) as your primary method of home defense. A solo carrier or even a carrier and a small fleet will not deter anyone trying to siege you and if you pull it out for every home engagement you will attract lots of unwanted attention. That being said, if you already have a strong defensive fleet a carrier or two can be an excellent ace in the hole to defend against large scale invasions. Just be smart about it.
wazp1
The Tarzan Foundation
#8 - 2015-02-17 19:37:09 UTC
Adolph Weltschmerz wrote:
Hello

Quick question to the wormhole community:

Will building carrier/dreads in a c2 for defence/pos rep make you safer or just make you a juicier target?

Fighter support for home defence seems alluring, but not if it leads to overwhelming invations or evictions.

Thoughts?

Thanks

A


Should build a super!
Adolph Weltschmerz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-02-17 20:15:17 UTC
Thanks for the replies, guys.

A
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#10 - 2015-02-17 20:43:03 UTC  |  Edited by: scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Keskora Yaari wrote:
I think it all depends on how you intend to use your cap(s). I would not bank on your cap(s) as your primary method of home defense. A solo carrier or even a carrier and a small fleet will not deter anyone trying to siege you and if you pull it out for every home engagement you will attract lots of unwanted attention. That being said, if you already have a strong defensive fleet a carrier or two can be an excellent ace in the hole to defend against large scale invasions. Just be smart about it.

This makes sense. Or so I would think. Pretty much the same as everywhere else in Eve, you don't just whip out your cap and go run an anom or camp your high sec hole with it just like you (probably) wouldn't whip out a cap for a gate camp or mining belt rats. Same analogy goes for the "oh no there are 4 RR Domi's shooting my Poco" situation, you don't roll up in a Nag over 4 Domi's in WH's or K-space.
If you want to whip it out to camp a frig hole though.... feel free. Just don't be surprised if someone shows up looking for that cap
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2015-02-17 21:37:16 UTC
this idea is as good as signing your posts

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Keskora Yaari
POS Party
Ember Sands
#12 - 2015-02-18 01:59:14 UTC
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:

This makes sense. Or so I would think. Pretty much the same as everywhere else in Eve, you don't just whip out your cap and go run an anom or camp your high sec hole with it just like you (probably) wouldn't whip out a cap for a gate camp or mining belt rats.



You would be surprised how many carriers we see ratting out in low class space
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#13 - 2015-02-18 02:22:46 UTC
Keskora Yaari wrote:
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:

This makes sense. Or so I would think. Pretty much the same as everywhere else in Eve, you don't just whip out your cap and go run an anom or camp your high sec hole with it just like you (probably) wouldn't whip out a cap for a gate camp or mining belt rats.



You would be surprised how many carriers we see ratting out in low class space

That's just laziness though, right? Like running L2/3's in a Rattlesnake?
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-02-18 05:13:21 UTC
You should always build it and always park in on your high sec. you know, for security.

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Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#15 - 2015-02-18 06:18:53 UTC
Keskora Yaari wrote:

You would be surprised how many carriers we see ratting out in low class space


Are they actually ratting or running L5 missions?
Tim Nering
R3d Fire
#16 - 2015-02-18 06:23:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tim Nering
you might be having thoughts of "home defense", "wielding the biggest stick", "elite pvp" which are gateway thoughts to "omg i can rat in a thanny in my c2 solo!"

none of this makes any sense. there is nothing in your c2 you can do with a carrier or dread that is worth it besides supplying everyone in wspace kills.

pve? certainly dont need a carrier, u cant even escalate, how many c2 sites u gotta run to make that carrier/dread worth it? not to mention a dread in a c2 site is the dumbest thing ive heard today. solo thanny is stupid too, when u could honestly solo domi for a fraction of the cost... just why?!?!

pvp: nobody is going to respect you when u drop an archon (or use fighters) into a c2 style battlecruiser brawl. you will be labeled an ass and remembered as the guy who dropped an archon in a c2. home defense is also a stupid thought when u consider that there are a thousand other ways to defend ur home hole. not to even mention that if you do lose ur c2......just get another one they are not hard to get. how much money could u possibly lose in a c2 as a small corp? manage ur risk.

btw once u start using fighters ur going to keep using them like...every fight. and THAT is guna **** ppl off at you

seriously if you want to fly caps in wspace... you can! its as awesome as u think it is! zero tidi cap battles against fleets of 60 or less. it all happens in c5-c6 space! where u can escalate sites for dank isk, JUMP THROUGH A WORMHOLE, fight your neighbors and of course jump out a null/low sec and cyno into battle! join one of the lovely c5-c6 corps or go buy one on the sell orders or something.

pls dont be stupid and build caps in low class space. its just plain stupid. u can rep ur damn shields with POSpreys.

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Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-02-18 06:31:18 UTC
Tim Nering wrote:
join one of the lovely c5-c6 corps or go buy one on the sell orders or something.


Yeah we have enough fires in wormholes already. put the r3d fire out and just join the Blue-Fire.

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Tim Nering
R3d Fire
#18 - 2015-02-18 06:42:04 UTC
Iyokus Patrouette wrote:
Tim Nering wrote:
join one of the lovely c5-c6 corps or go buy one on the sell orders or something.


Yeah we have enough fires in wormholes already. put the r3d fire out and just join the Blue-Fire.


check my corp history, i was a director once

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Keskora Yaari
POS Party
Ember Sands
#19 - 2015-02-18 16:35:57 UTC
Adriana Nolen wrote:


Are they actually ratting or running L5 missions?



Oh just straight up running sites in like... C4 wormholes. It's a thing. That is most definitely NOT how you want to use your low class caps.

I mean... Yes... please go run C4 sites in a cap >.>
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#20 - 2015-02-18 17:18:37 UTC
If you want a carrier then do it. I've run across a fair few carriers in lower class wh. Let me find my list of lower class wh that have caps in them..... it's right here somewhere...... hmm..... maybe I never bothered making that list.

There really aren't that many folks who will plan out and execute an operation just to take out 1 carrier in a lower class wh. It's a lot of work for a single carrier kill. I would say your biggest threat of that is from a group of tools coming in from HS (a group of guys that would think killing a carrier is a huge big deal). C5/C6 folks would have much better opportunities in null/high end wh.

That being said, carriers are cool support ships. Don't think you're going to stomp around your C2 and dominate the space. A lone or ill supported carrier is low hanging fruit. It's like anything else in eve - use it wisely and you'll enjoy it. Use it wrecklessly and you'll be in a puddle of tears (yours).

You and your guys may have a blast throwing a carrier into every fight possible. Eventually you'll lose it. If you can stand the loss, then you're ready to have one.

TL/DR If you want a carrier in your C2 then build one.
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