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Are You Sick and Tired of the Tyrant James 315 and his New Order/CODE?

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ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
#41 - 2015-02-17 12:44:54 UTC
Intar Medris wrote:
ggodhsup wrote:
definitely a scam, but ill bite.

grab veers, ill bet he has some clever idea to beat CODE., curretnly he trolls C&P with wreckless and i mean wreckless abandon.

aside from that, you have to actually engage them in combat to "defeat" them, which i have and im sure other have seen very little of.

aside from the elite pve crowd that veers surrounds himself with hiring merc corps to do exactly what you are trying to organize, no one will take up arms against them.

wonder why that is?....they are all -10.

actually its amazing how little fun i get from being outlaw....it seems only other outlaws are willing to have a go.

either way, CODE. has billions upon billions at their disposal....i hope your "rebel" force can field that kind of monetary power.

otherwise, you are just creating more content for them, and more tears for C&P.


Had -10 taking the pod taxi somewhere. Chased him for several jumps trying to get a lock and a couple shots off. I failedEvil


MOAR SEBOS!

and this is proof, CODE. cannot be defeated.
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#42 - 2015-02-17 12:58:35 UTC
Held der Finsternis wrote:
And I bring to the table lots of CODE. experience.

I see... your killboard shows that you are a PvP force to be reckoned with, a true PvP expert with amazing experience... CODE agents are probably already trembling in fear...


... now you just need to find a way to get them all into freighters and victory is almost assured. Roll



Held der Finsternis wrote:
For starters, I'm not a complete idiot
Hmm... nah, that's too easy. P
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2015-02-17 14:30:04 UTC
MicDeath Titan wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
The Code always wins. When you rise up to face them, the Code still wins. Especially when you rise up to face them.

Not true. I actually got kicked out of their TS after politely asking them to come gank my afk miner. All code members I asked refused to gank. All code members in a rather large system with many of them there refused to do it.

I mean damn, I only wanted to blow up a damn ship before going afk for several months.


This is not rising up to face them. In what way are you challenging them or creating content that they can't create themselves? All you did here was try to assert authority over those simply won't recognise any but their own. In this case, the Code wins by ignoring you.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#44 - 2015-02-17 14:38:52 UTC
You cannot defeat "CODE" because they already use optimized strategies and have no resources for you to target.

You can't blow up the "CODE secret base" because it's in high sec.

You can't "war dec" them, as it puts the onus of looking for them on you. You'll lose just from the time loss. They have no reason to fight a "fair fight" and will just ignore you.


Your problem isn't with CODE, it's with the game design that makes their strategies the optimum ones. Don't fall for CCP's deceptive advertising and don't play a game you cannot win.
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2015-02-17 14:48:13 UTC
Demetri Dentrov wrote:
You can't "war dec" them, as it puts the onus of looking for them on you. You'll lose just from the time loss. They have no reason to fight a "fair fight" and will just ignore you.

It's cute how often people accuse CODE. of avoiding fair fights while propositioning that HiSec criminals should fight them in a scenario that massively favours themselves.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#46 - 2015-02-17 14:50:58 UTC
Welcome, Rebel Commander #245!!

Here are the keys to your Secret Rebel Base(tm), and the Secret Schedules of Rebel Commanders #1-244.

Have fun and watch out for Jovians of Unusual Size!!

*gets a beer and calls the bookies*

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#47 - 2015-02-17 14:55:40 UTC
Demetri Dentrov wrote:
You cannot defeat "CODE" because they already use optimized strategies and have no resources for you to target.

You can't blow up the "CODE secret base" because it's in high sec.

You can't "war dec" them, as it puts the onus of looking for them on you. You'll lose just from the time loss. They have no reason to fight a "fair fight" and will just ignore you.


Your problem isn't with CODE, it's with the game design that makes their strategies the optimum ones. Don't fall for CCP's deceptive advertising and don't play a game you cannot win.

You defeat gankers everytime you safely dock with your cargo or load of ore. Fitting tank, paying attention, bringing escorts all will ensure your victory by keeping your space assets safe.

This is not a problem with the game - it is intended by the developers to make fitting choices and mining/hauling behaviour matter in highsec.

Now CODE. is a slightly different story as they are more than just pirates ganking for profit. It is true that they always win, but that is because the risk they present forces you to adapt your gameplay to protect yourself and that is one of their goals. A pretty noble goal if I might say so myself as it makes a better and more engaging game for everyone.

But if you want to really defeat CODE., you will need to employ some tactics beyond normal highsec PvP stratagems. Held is a master of the meta, so he might be the leader you need to defeat them at their own game. I wish him well as such conflict can only bring entertainment for everyone.

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#48 - 2015-02-17 15:54:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Demetri Dentrov
Black Pedro wrote:

Now CODE. is a slightly different story as they are more than just pirates ganking for profit. It is true that they always win, but that is because the risk they present forces you to adapt your gameplay to protect yourself and that is one of their goals. A pretty noble goal if I might say so myself as it makes a better and more engaging game for everyone.


No it isn't. By that I mean that isn't their goal, not that the goal wouldn't be noble if it WAS their goal. Why would you think that was their goal? Because that's what they TOLD you their goal was?

People get rich by telling other people what they want to hear all the time.

CODE is just feeding on CCP's deceptive advertising. It's really no more complicated than that.


Look at it this way: And I'll use a particularly egregious example: WHY would anyone fly around high sec in a Hulk with no rigs? (Note that I'm not asking the more subtle but equally salient question... why would anyone fly around high sec around in a Hulk.)

The answer is because they don't understand the design of the game they're playing. This despite the fact that it takes over a month to train to fly a Hulk. They are playing a game that is designed to trip them up with false dichotomies while at the same time advertised as a "sandbox" where all choices are equally legitimate

As long as CCP deceptively advertises their game, you will have a never ending supply of people that do not understand the choices the game presents. And for that reason, you can never "defeat" CODE. It's like trying to get the "Queen" piece in chess removed from the game.
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2015-02-17 16:02:36 UTC
So because people can make poor decisions and fly ships in suboptimal conditions, CCP are being dishonest in the advertising?

I'm really struggling to follow the trail of logic that leads from poor decision making and/or poor awareness being anyone's fault but the player.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Black Pedro
Mine.
#50 - 2015-02-17 16:14:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Demetri Dentrov wrote:

No it isn't. By that I mean that isn't their goal, not that the goal wouldn't be noble if it WAS their goal. Why would you think that was their goal? Because that's what they TOLD you their goal was?

People get rich by telling other people what they want to hear all the time.

CODE is just feeding on CCP's deceptive advertising. It's really no more complicated than that.

It pretty clearly states that making highsec a more interesting and engaging place is their goal in Code itself. I guess you can choose not believe them, but I am not sure why they would lie about their motivations in a video game. But even if it is some sort of long-game scam by James 315, that would be less noble, but perfectly in the spirit, and within the rules, of this game.

But more to the point I have never seen any "deceptive advertising" from CCP saying that there is no PvP in highsec or that it is a CODE-free game or whatever it is you are implying. In fact, they clearly state all throughout the New Player FAQ that there is suppose to be risk and PvP conflicts all throughout New Eden (see sections 5 and 7, especially 7.2).
Demetri Dentrov wrote:
Look at it this way: And I'll use a particularly egregious example: WHY would anyone fly around high sec in a Hulk with no rigs? (Note that I'm not asking the more subtle but equally salient question... why would anyone fly around high sec around in a Hulk.)

The answer is because they don't understand the design of the game they're playing. This despite the fact that it takes over a month to train to fly a Hulk. They are playing a game that is designed to trip them up with false dichotomies while at the same time advertised as a "sandbox" where all choices are equally legitimate

As long as CCP deceptively advertises their game, you will have a never ending supply of people that do not understand the choices the game presents. And for that reason, you can never "defeat" CODE. It's like trying to defeat the "Queen" piece in chess.
I don't quite get your example. Yes, Eve can be complicated, and yes there many new, or older-but-still-terrible players who don't understand game mechanics but what does that have to do with CODE.? Has CCP ever marketed Eve as a simple game where you can fly your unfit mining vessels around without risk?

Eve is a competitive sandbox game not a single-player spaceship flight simulator. I am not sure why you think CCP has ever claimed otherwise.

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#51 - 2015-02-17 16:49:09 UTC
Well, this thread has been a fun read but I need to address a very serious point, guys. The apocalypse is once again upon the New Order and I'm all out of popcorn.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Kavoro Pel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2015-02-17 17:26:51 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Well, this thread has been a fun read but I need to address a very serious point, guys. The apocalypse is once again upon the New Order and I'm all out of popcorn.


That is indeed a very serious issue which should be addressed immediately!
Drez Arthie
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2015-02-17 19:39:28 UTC
I strike at thee CODE with corny acronyms!

Catalyst Overheats, Dies .. Excitement!

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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2015-02-17 19:41:27 UTC
Drez Arthie wrote:
I strike at thee CODE with corny acronyms!

Catalyst Overheats, Dies .. Excitement!

Carebears Of Deklein in Empire

Can't Obtain Daytime Employment




Call Of Duty Expats?

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#55 - 2015-02-17 19:56:15 UTC
Held der Finsternis wrote:
I have decided to defeat the New Order


You can stop the odd gank here and there but you will find it extremely hard to stop all ganking. Such an endeavour seems pointless to be honest. It's almost as pointless as trying to stop players from going AFK! Even with all the ganking going on, people will still go AFK.

So, the only way you can really "beat" the New Order of High Sec is to create a competitor movement that becomes more dominant, by outganking them in high sec!

So, OP, I advise you to create a new high sec ganker alliance, with new-player friendliness and SRP. In time, after numbers rise, and your members are outganking CODE, you could claim to be "beating" them Big smile
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#56 - 2015-02-18 04:34:15 UTC
Not sure why there is any need to "stand up to code." If their hilarious incursion ganking contest wasn't enough (kudos to Sabriz on that gem), you have their brilliant AT "victory." If that isn't your cup of tea, don't forget their hilarious attempts to gank mission runners. And if that isn't enough, their leaders keep quitting the game, their line members keep disappearing, and all that is left is a third rate website and a bunch of hot air on the eve forums. Beating code is in fact impossible - one cannot beat what has already lost.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#57 - 2015-02-18 04:55:35 UTC
Needs a less obvious name.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2015-02-18 05:43:51 UTC
Obvious scam/bait/scam thread is obvious scam/bait/scam thread.

Don't forget to send your full API key!

Lol.

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Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#59 - 2015-02-18 05:57:29 UTC
Held der Finsternis wrote:

I have decided to defeat the New Order by starting a Rebel movement that doesn't suck like all those that have come before. I would like to ask all of the kind players here in general discussion to brainstorm ideas to defeat this criminal organization. The best will be considered for implementation.

It would help for those that have been wronged by CODE to share their stories here along with what they are willing to do to help the cause.


I had a miner threaten to buy CCP and ban code. you could try that.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#60 - 2015-02-18 06:08:55 UTC
Demetri Dentrov wrote:
You cannot defeat "CODE" because they already use optimized strategies and have no resources for you to target.

You can't blow up the "CODE secret base" because it's in high sec.

You can't "war dec" them, as it puts the onus of looking for them on you. You'll lose just from the time loss. They have no reason to fight a "fair fight" and will just ignore you.


Your problem isn't with CODE, it's with the game design that makes their strategies the optimum ones. Don't fall for CCP's deceptive advertising and don't play a game you cannot win.


You could attack the guys funding us(we even keep a list). "Scare" people into not buying shares.