Player Features and Ideas Discussion

When CCP wakes up and deletes all supers from the game, there won't be forum threads anymore devoted to "does this or that make supers too safe?" and people won't reply to feature threads saying "so on and so forth solely because it affects supers in a way that I like" without considering other applications.

-1 to making the watchlist into a friends list. EVE is about a lot of things, but friends are not what EVE is about. The ability to add people to your watchlist in order to monitor their online/offline status (which does not give you any more information than that) is very important to both sides of the hunter/prey paradigm in EVE and has quality-of-life applications as well. Simply being able to add people to your contacts without their consent, watchlisted or not, also has quality-of-life uses.

To the other person who dislikes solo play: I dislike nullsec politics but you don't hear anything from me about squashing it.

Also remove local.
Ohhhhh so deadly!

Stupid idea is stupid. No.

"I think there should be watchlist because subspace beacons".

That is really what you're saying. Instead of discussing a mechanic on actual its merits and demerits, your argument is simply "because lore".

If you want to open a thread on the EVE Fiction section, I'm sure there are plenty of roleplayers who'd love to discuss roleplaying topics with you.

I agree 100%. Getting intel should involve players actively going to get it, instead of just having a name on a list that tells them everything they need to know.

Hi, locator agents show where a pilot is located, even if they're offline.

Being able to see exactly when someone comes online from across the galaxy is pretty dumb. Especially if you know exactly what ship they are flying.

Should it? And, who is going to do it? Who do you think is social enough in EVE to give up a slot on their computer to put an active alt into a system to watch people all the time or on request and then cannot do anything else with that char/slot? Do you think there are that many reliable people who'd like to do that? There isn't even enough people in big alliances to properly distribute jobs like tower maintenance, logistics, industry and the likes among the players, because on the one hand, they are just unreliable and increased risk, and on the other hand, they don't want to do it. Players do not want to do things like this, which require effort, players want it the easy way. And my scenario described above is not the easy way, it's going to be like in my past experience when alliance leadership repeatedly asks for scouts around the area to find fights or potential conflict timers and no one lifts a finger, when FCs ask for scouts for the fleet or to check systems of known hostiles and no one lifts a finger. And then the exact same people who do not lift a finger start complaining about no action and nothing going on and how boring EVE is.

As described before, the watchlist gives you no intel. It only provides 1 piece of information with which you cannot do anything. I have several titan pilots on my WL, their pilot info window contains some bits about their last whereabouts from my last visual on them. Now, if I see them log in again, days, weeks later and I check on them before an op, I cannot count on that info anymore. They could be anywhere, because pilots and ships move in space. I need to gather more info, via Locator agents and other players to give live info from their location. WL logon/offskis are a mere piece in a bigger puzzle of intel gathering. You need other tools and more importantly other players to gather precise intel on their current location, what is in the system, in space, on the titan in terms of numbers and ship types, how many more Supers are in the system/in the area even, where are their cynos, and so on. No WL can give you that information, it only triggers a more intensive search for these numerous other parts of information.

By saying that "getting intel should involve players actively to get it, instead of having a name on the list that tells you everything you need to know", you have just displayed in marvelous clarity that you are, firstly, a pilot who does not understand how intel gathering works, and secondly, are a pilot who fits wonderfully into my above scenario of a pilot who just wants things and not lift a finger. Congratulations for dismantling yourself.

That is before my time and to be quite frank here, I find it disgusting that you just gave up that space to them instead of fighting for it. But I guess, Phoebe was just too close to commit to a fight.

I am not talking about N3 or CFC in particular, this is experience from prior alliances and organization. By the way, when can we get access to your mentioned 3rd-party tools? Do you want to publish them voluntarily or do we need to petition CCP like in the olden days when CFC had their internal standings display software while the rest of the game had not, which in the end forced CCP to introduce such a mechanic into the game at large?

Moreover, if thins are being done as described already on coalition level, why should the WL be removed when it is just 1 single piece in a big puzzle of intel gathering?

It's amusing how many people really don't understand how the mechanics actually impact the game.

Watchlist as it stands is bad because it allows hostile forces to immediately know, for free, when a hostile fleet or key players are online.

Without being able to have this free intel, the only way that you would know if a hostile key person or fleet is online is if you were in the same system, or had eyes on the ground.

Furthermore, the only way that the hostiles would know that you were online was if they had direct eyes on you- preferably when you hotdrop them :)

One ridiculous problem at a time, sir.