Intergalactic Summit

Well that is arguable, but (selfishly) I enjoy this immortality of ours

I will have to admit the petition is very particular.

I agree with the position that we should be speaking to CONCORD, or our leaders in turn about this particular issue. I, for one, would be quite surprised if Roden didn't have his own ideas about this threat - Traditionally, the leaders do not much care about what we have to say, and I can't envision a bunch of Capsuleers petitioning them getting very far - though crossing borders to do so might have more effect than to simply bother our own.

As for what to do about this new problem - I can't advocate a first strike approach. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't be ready or shouldn't worry. I'm quite worried, and if anything, am fairly convinced they mean us harm; I understand the first strike approach. I'm just not sure that we aren't about to make things even harder for ourselves. This isn't a known adversary. We don't actually know at all what they want, what resources they have, and their ideas about us could change at any moment.

The point I think Gen. Soter should ultimately be making is that we can't control the actions of independent Capsuleers anyway- ones that don't bother in politics, or quite frankly any organized setting - These Capsuleers will shoot and kill scouts or any other mysterious new item as quickly as they would curiously turn over a stone.
Nor can we quite even manage to coordinate the actions of our disparate groups. We have managed to undermine each other's efforts for long enough that it could be said we no longer have any choice but to each bunker up and protect our own. After the discussion in this thread, this is my reluctant take away; if we can't bring ourselves to protect each other, then we will have to just protect ourselves. I suspect Soter did not come here specifically to make peace in light of a threat. He came here to rally Federals because there is no time to bother with mending partisanship at this time.


I would say we should focus our attention on the fact that the Empires need to discuss this threat with us, especially in light of partisan Capsuleer politics. They have been miraculously quiet about what they intend to do. While I understand the press quiet, as this is not something to spread around the populace, I wonder if they even have a plan, and if so, why it would not include us, the weapons they supposedly themselves made specifically for threats like these? Do they really intend to set our beleaguered Navy that can barely hold off a single Capsuleer on an unassessed threat when they could easily deploy most of the GMVA at a moment's notice?

This is what I would like to petition for. 'Keeping us busy' in the warzone is an insult to all of us, Capsuleer and baseliner alike - as always - but especially in light of recent events. As much as I dislike the first strike approach, the GMVA stands with the Navy for the protection of citizens and should be informed enough to take action as swiftly as possible. As it stands, we don't even have the outline of a plan, if Soter's petition is any indication. And all of you probably don't either.

Our Empires are capable of coordinating with each other behind our backs constantly, but we can't even have a discussion in a casual setting. We are going to be continually undermined at this rate, despite the enormous power we could be negotiating with. Unlike the powers that be, many of us were fairly common people - the people closest to us come from all levels of society. We can surely remember the certain powerlessness the majority of us came from; for some of us, it's what drove us to the capsule in the first place. It's baseliners that are most likely to suffer from any large scale disaster. Now that our personal lifestyles are secure, why fall back on the hate of the powerless? Our governments don't - if anything, they use it manipulatively. We're going to be powerplayed, just as easily as when we were baseliners ourselves.

We need to coordinate. If our own governments won't have us, then with each other - because there's a hell of a lot of people that need someone to be paying attention.

Mr Soter, Sir, and others here, I don't wish to poke my nose into Federation politics or tell you what to do but I would like to support a peaceful yet vigilant approach to the Circadian Seekers until much more is known about them and how they behave. As an explorer I've been scanned many times observing the drones and the unidentified structures located across the cluster and have not felt overtly threatened. Uneasy, yes, but nothing would have suggested to me that their behaviour was aggressive.

Hostilities can easily arise due to misunderstandings and poor communication, our histories demonstrate that clearly and what you deem an infiltration of sovereign territory may also be derived from misunderstanding. We do not know what they understand of our cultures. They may be unaware that they have threatened empire security as we see it. The unidentified structures for all we know may have been there since times before our empires and are now malfunctioning as a result of incidents related to Caroline's Star. The Seekers may simply be caretaker drones responding to faulty systems and are gathering data in the same manner a repair technician would before initiating reparative works. Perhaps these structures have even protected us in some ways that we are unaware of? I'm not actively involved in any Seeker discussion, I'm not a scientist or an academic, but these are the kinds of questions I feel need to be discussed before pre-emptive actions of any kind are taken.

An aggressive approach may alert other and as yet unknown entities in what might lead to great atrocities upon people. Until we know definitively that the Seekers mean us harm wouldn't it be prudent to exercise restraint, learn and be at least on negotiating terms rather than face a hostile enemy unwilling to talk to you? As has been mentioned elsewhere, many people's lives and families are potentially at great risk. An animal will not soil its own den as to be unliveable.

Ms. Kim,

I find myself agreeing with part of what you have said. I agree that we must be vigilant with sleepers but should not let them distract us form the real threats to New Eden. I don't agree with your opinions about the Federation but Sansha's Nation, Guristas, Angel Cartel, Serpentis, and the Blood Raiders (especially those blood crazed freaks) are the true threats. Those threats should be our number one priority.

The cloaks on the structures have worn off. They're massive towers.

And wormholes have begun appearing, with sleeper structures outside of them. Jovian battleships have been spotted near these and open fire without provocation when approached.

So much for the pacifists claiming these things are peaceful. This demands a response, from all our governments. CONCORD needs to start doing its job.

I edited a link in to that post. Your own corp member approached in a logistics vessel, with no weapons and all drones in bay. She was chased down and destroyed.

These things (people?) are clearly Jovian in nature. Images are coming in of the few that have been shot down, and they possess the characteristic hairlessness and extreme augmentation.

Also, the characteristic cutting through battleships like butter with a hot knife. It seems less has changed in a hundred years than we might have hoped.

To be fair, these new Jovians don't seem to be directly linked to the Circadian Seekers.

That said, if we had seen more action and less hand wringing we would be more prepared to respond to these Drifters.

Over and over again people make the mistake of assuming that "taking action" can mean nothing other than "everyone shoot the Sleepers!"

Even when people like Soter and I clarify over and over that we were not advocating that course of action, nor were we taking such action ourselves.

Now these structures have been revealed, although their purpose remains in question. CONCORD is on a "High Alert" which should have happened months ago. What good are they?

It is past time for the Federation to act independently of CONCORD and marshal a response to this threat.

Petitions and politics aside, these Drifters don't seem to be identifying themselves as Jovian, which is odd on it's own.

Like Rinai said, there is no evidence they are associated with the sleepers, and those ships are unlike any Jovian design we have seen.

There are a lot of questions that need answering