Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I prefair cloak ships and fly them on a daily basis

but i do have a hatred agains those special afk cyno cloakys.


cloak is a mechanic that saves your life when you stumble upon a gate camp or a lot of hostiles any thing that can decloack a ship apart from 2500m rule should not be implented as it will destroy active cloak pilots.

i would more look at the AFK part. My suggestion will be ad a mini game to the cloak that after 1-2 hours (pref in a random timmer) you will be forced to be active press some buttons or become decloacked, once afk in space and decloacked other game mechanics will do there charm.

this will hinder afk hot drop cyno cloakys as the need to be active or well get destroyed


(ps, i hope its readable as English isent my native language)

I dont get it.

Scan probes for hunting cloak is a viable option. I dont see any reason why it cant work. The changes suggested to make Covops ships be immune to probing seemed to work well.

Why is this not viable?

Probes to scan ships. Just like combat probes, allowing a ship to be locked on to.
Covops ships with bonus to scanning would be immune, leaving exploration intact.

Local in WH space would stay the same.
Local in Null would have all forums of intel removed from it.

• No color coding for pilots in space.
• The pilot info option would be removed unless in station or inside POS shields.
• Overview would still show proper color coding when a ship is on grid.

Local in Low could function the same.
Local in High would still have color and pilot info.

Rational behind this. Information in space is provided by gates. In WH space there are no gates, so local is seen when a ship picks up a transmission. AKA someone saying something in local. In Null the gate system exists but is basically not maintained by any faction, so updated information is not passed to them. In low, the same idea kind of applies. In high each faction kind of maintains their own gate network, keeping information up to date with standings and other info. Just lose idea behind it.

The removing of info from local would allow a pilot to do a quick hit and run, and unless spotted visually there would be no way to know if they were friend or foe. This would have the same effect as cloak camping. Over time a new name in local would have no effect on the pilots, leaving them open to be targeted more easily.

This would give a counter to the month long cloaky campers, yet still leave hit and runs into hostile areas intact.

The idea of leaving the probes up on grid to safeguard a fleet would be minor at best since its highly likely that even if you did lock down the target, you could not warp to them if they were too close and you cant just align to them either.

Isnt this the idea we basically came up with several pages back anyway?

How many new players have the afk cloaked ships killed?

So now its not 'nothing should be safe' instead its 'CCP says docking should be safe but cloaks are a grey area. Lets push that'. When in fact i dont think CCP have ever said either are meant to be absolute safety, nor have they said either are meant to be vulnerable. They have said, however, that cloaks come with draw backs of either a gimped fit or, in the case of covert cloaks, only allowed to be fit on weaker ships and are therefore balanced and working as intended.

I did not say cloak is like a station in every way. Just the absolute indefinite safety, which is not junk by any meaning of the word. Even you have to admit that.

- Saying a cloaker can leave whenever they wish but the docked pilot cant is a junk statement. The docker must be camped to provide risk to his exit, and you can camp gates for cloakers just the same.

- A cloaked player cannot know where a docked player is unless he saw his target dock. The cloaked player cannot dock to check if his target is part of the guests and wouldnt know if his target is docked or also cloaked.

- Unlike docking up, the cloaked player cannot change ships or fit. A docked player can deliberately alter his fit to resist a cloaker or even fit as bait for a counter cyno. The AFK cloaker cannot tell which, if any, until it is too late.



This i would be happy with in principle.

But you don't mind misrepresenting them?

You are proposing changes that would kill PvE play in null.

I am extending your own numbering sequence for clarity.



1)
If you were to place a mechanic that gave something to cloaks, in addition to taking something from them alone, this explanation would stop sounding like the preamble to so many other one sided solutions.

1a)
Stupid is an opinion.
If you can provide facts as to why AFK Cloaking should be stopped, and not also include changes to local intel, I would be interested to hear them.
Sharing accounts is a separate issue to this, and linking them is unfounded beyond base assumption.

2)
This may be new information to you, but space is called a vacuum for the exact reason that matter is absent.
The cloak doesn't operate in gas clouds for that reason.
Energy is a different matter, and that is exactly what the cloak does to hide itself, it duplicates the energy from one side to the other, creating the appearance of uninterrupted presence. This is also part of the likely reason why cloaks fail at close range, since the effect doesn't hold up at short distances.

3)
The "issue" to the objective perspective, is that balance already exists, while resolution seems to be unsatisfying to many.

You may not consider it in this context, but for this stalemate to exist, TOO MUCH ARTIFICIAL BALANCE already exists.

Point A: The game provides perfect intel, regarding player presence in a system.
Point B: The game allows cloaking to also be perfect, despite the awareness provided in point a.

This creates that stalemate, where both sides are avoiding contact because of such perfect mutual awareness.
The only opportunity for play, exists where that mutual awareness has flaws introduced by player expectations.
Example: That one guy can't be watching us the whole time, or in Cyno Fit's case the assumption about account sharing

This gives a one up effect on even Shrodinger's cat, as you effectively KNOW it is in the box, but absolutely cannot find it until it wants to be found.
(I think this cat is the Cheshire variety, from that Alice 'n Wonderland place)

Simple. And this falls back on the 100% safety I have been talking about. Here is a situation from last night.

We has a couple Circle of 2 guys come through our space, including one that has decided to camp one of our systems. Alts gives these guys quite a bit of respect for their PVP, so instead of just sitting around we formed up in less than 2 minutes to confront this person. With Sabres, fast tackle, destroyers and other ships, it was impossible to catch a Rapier.

The cloak did its job, keeping the ship safe when it ran a couple gate crashes but we were always right on its heels but none the less, we were unable to kill this Rapier. Why? Cause all the player had to do was cloak up and walk away and that is exactly what he did.

Local had no bearing on this at all. With every gate camped, ships ready to fight all the player had to do was walk away from the computer and was safe. All he had to do was wait. 12 people, trying to find one ship. Even without local we spotted him and one of his buddies at every gate.

According to suggestions on this thread, we did everything people suggested.

The fact that if someone gets trapped in a system and they can just walk away from their computer without logging off. I find this to be a flaw

Not seeing any AFK Cloaking done here, but sure, let's look at active play.

First, there are no guaranteed results. You wanna use twelve people against one guy?
It often has that one guy winning, if they prepared properly.
The expectation of numbers equaling victory is short sighted in both directions.
(You can fear superior numbers against you too, which is what keeps many PvE players in this context from playing)

Their safety was not based solely on the cloak.
Oh sure, you can say it was, but the simple truth is the cloak only gave this player limited protection here.

What did the cloak do? It limited your opportunities to catch the player.
Limited, not removed entirely.

Gatecamps and other bottlenecks are the cloak's vulnerability, as designed.

The cloak did not allow them to blow up your ships.
From their perspective, perhaps they are feeling shorted by how you were able to change into ships designed to fight them, while they were stuck with the ships they arrived in.

They knew you could overwhelm them, with ships that did not need to evade any hostile gate camps, or deal with any hostiles beyond your immediate targets.

Must be nice knowing your opponent can't swap into ships that can overwhelm you directly.

The only option they had, was to avoid encounters where they had an obvious disadvantage. Just like most players in the game do, cloaks give you the ability to operate in space filled with hostiles without direct fleet support.

It's one of the only things keeping EVE from being limited to blob or gtfo, in many ways.

Yea the fact that the player can just walk away from the computer and be perfectly safe for an indefinite, WHILE being actively hunted.

Their safety is COMPLETELY based on the cloak. Without they would be dead. Without it they couldnt just sit in space and wait forever.

Even if the player had decided to not leave the system and jump a couple gates. All they had to do was just sit in the system, FOREVER.



Are you serious? He is in a covops ship with the possibility of having a covops cyno. He might not be able to change ships but he sure as hell can bring in a lot more. They had more options than avoid the encounter.

Nikk I like you man, but seriously. You have been presented with an answer to your question and you completely choose to responded to it by ignoring the truth of it?

I have said since I started this that no ship should be 100% safe while floating in space. This is a perfect example of why. You are right, cloak does allow ships to operate in hostile space. In no way should it allow them ot live in hostile space.

Nikk. You have been proven wrong. Sorry man. You asked for an example. I gave you one. You can choose to ignore it, or add other tangential arguments but that doesnt change the fact that at least one example exists on how local has no effect on balance and a ship can still maintain 100% indefinite safety while floating in space only due to the use of a cloak.