EVE New Citizens Q&A

here we go again...wardeccers and gankers

if newbies want to learn pvp move out of highsec and focus on lowsec faction warfare will teach you the basics of pvp and you can go from there. i wouldnt listen to the wardeccers who tell you to fight because thats pointless these guys are far more experienced than 90% of the people they wardec. (they dont wardec to lose)

as for this being "good for the game" as quoted by a CODE. then whats really good for the game, the gankers ganking the corps or the corps doing what the guide says to avoid the gankers who just troll everything they see in local, its major flaw on both sides if people have to do this sort of thing to avoid people

This guide isnt ideal really so i would search around for something else as following this route may just make you quit the game through boredom of reforming and abandoning corps every 2 days

And general advice on dealing with them! (sounds like a guide!)

"Flee you have no hope" and "learn something valuable" both make no sense to me with in the context of a game. If you like PvP then you like PvP and I see "gf" thrown up in local from PvPers all the time from both the winners and the loosers. So if you enjoy PvP and enjoy winning even more then learning how to PvP could be something of "value" to you.

However if you don't like PvP then learning how to better PvP is of no value to you. Also if you don't like to PvP then you don't like to PvP and winning and loosing is really pointless if you PvP you've already lost regardless of if you make it out with your ship or not, so I guess maybe there truly is no hope in that situation since if you engage in PvP you've lost either way.

I see people in here agreeing that it is a difference of opinion and then using words like "valuable" with regards to their playstyle which carries with it the implication that other playstyles are valueless. You might as well say "It's just a difference of opinion but your opinion is wrong and mine is right".

As far as what the OP is posting being bad for the game or bad for new players someone would have to explain that. You throw it out there as if it is inherently so with not only no evidence but with out any clue or indication. So how is someone having a different playstyle other than you "bad for the game"? How is the OP playing the way that he is playing "bad for new players" I mean if you they don't like avoiding war decs then they can join a corp that fights or join RvB or Eve Uni or what ever they like.

As has been pointed out this game is a sandbox. People can play the way that they want. How people can say in one breath that this is a sandbox and in the next breath say " but if you don't play the way that I do it's bad for the game" just makes no sense. Also how can you decide what is "good for new players"? Are you " new players"? I mean if you character's name is "New Players" then maybe you have a point otherwise what is "good" for someone else is not your call to make.

You're awfully defensive about something I never stated. Sounds like you hit your own nerve.

It's not about the play style, I stated to disagree with the OPs but being fine with that. My point is that teaching newbies that they CAN, would they want to, make a stand and survive on their own power might be more useful to them than to automatically assume the catatonic "please kill me" stance.


The best way to keep newbies in this game is to empower them. One way is to show them a really good form of income. Another is to show them that, regardless of their chosen play style, they aren't necessarily at the whims of whomever wants to fck with them. I prefer the latter, the OP prefers the former.

Every interaction in EVE is PVP, even if you never engage in starship combat.

If you build a Retriever, you are harming everyone else that is trying to sell Retrievers. If you mine Veldspar, you are harming everyone else that might want to sell Veldspar, and helping supercapital producers in null. If you run a Sisters level 4 mission, you are hurting everyone else that owns Sisters LP and LP store goods.

All of that is PVP.

Now let's stop mistraining newbies to believe they are useless and get to teaching them to have claws and to learn to impose their will on the sandbox.

for those interested (and i know theirs a couple as we were discussing it recently) this is a Carebear.


this is not a guide to running a corp, this is a guide to turning a corp into a chatchannel.

Even easier solution is to simply move to low sec, if the corp can't survive in low sec then you should quit the corp anyway since it will never leave high sec.

very simple, fair SRP is no SRP =D yesm retracting is correct =D

Null is awesome, you want to salvage for big boys as a newb go to null, if you want to feel empowered by receving a whole MILLION ISK sign up bonus and a free prefitted rifter to swarm enemies, go to null.
If you want to go for the optimals, no matter how heartless and non-heroic they might seem well, this guide is for you, it won't be a big corp, it won't be super famous, but it will make enemies waste billions and you as safe yet efficient as high sec can be.

Thank you for this. It perfectly explains where you come from.

Newbros, what Winzy indicates is 0.0 is - in fact - not 0.0.
Do whatever, don't base your decisions on heavily biased opinions of other players (mine included) make up your mind after researching your Eve career a bit.