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Jenshae Chiroptera
#81 - 2015-02-17 05:24:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Vultaras wrote:
I'll be short: EVE is all about blowing ships, no matter when and where, ...
... but they don't fit in my big mouth! Cry

Sent the OP a mail with some direction on how to ruin ganker's days.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#82 - 2015-02-17 05:24:42 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
There would probably be less ganking if there were viable alternatives to it.

There aren't.
I'm surprised more mercs haven't turned to it tbh. I know that there's a steady supply of idiots that think it's ok to sail into a trade hub or up a pipe with a wardec, but given how trivial it is to shed one these days I'd guess that many of your targets just reroll the corp or drop to NPC for the duration.

ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#83 - 2015-02-17 05:27:31 UTC
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
There would probably be less ganking if there were viable alternatives to it.

There aren't.
I'm surprised more mercs haven't turned to it tbh. I know that there's a steady supply of idiots that think it's ok to sail into a trade hub or up a pipe with a wardec, but given how trivial it is to shed one these days I'd guess that many of your targets just reroll the corp or drop to NPC for the duration.
I'm surprised how many "elite" PVPers cling to high sec for easy targets.
I think Low Sec must be pretty broken if it isn't seen as the next step by both them and bears.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#84 - 2015-02-17 05:30:14 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
There would probably be less ganking if there were viable alternatives to it.

There aren't.
I'm surprised more mercs haven't turned to it tbh. I know that there's a steady supply of idiots that think it's ok to sail into a trade hub or up a pipe with a wardec, but given how trivial it is to shed one these days I'd guess that many of your targets just reroll the corp or drop to NPC for the duration.
I'm surprised how many "elite" PVPers cling to high sec for easy targets.
I think Low Sec must be pretty broken if it isn't seen as the next step by both them and bears.



There is no reason to go to low sec. Part time players like High sec and all the isk is in Null and WHs... Lowsec has nothing to offer players that aren't gatecampers.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#85 - 2015-02-17 05:35:03 UTC
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
There would probably be less ganking if there were viable alternatives to it.

There aren't.
I'm surprised more mercs haven't turned to it tbh. I know that there's a steady supply of idiots that think it's ok to sail into a trade hub or up a pipe with a wardec, but given how trivial it is to shed one these days I'd guess that many of your targets just reroll the corp or drop to NPC for the duration.

It's very uncommon for someone to roll their corp if they've already gone though the effort to declare war on your client. They're also unlikely to do so if they own a dozen POCOs.

Mercenaries are being paid by people to do the things they do. And people very rarely want to pay you to suicide gank someone.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#86 - 2015-02-17 05:35:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
There is no reason to go to low sec. Part time players like High sec and all the isk is in Null and WHs... Lowsec has nothing to offer players that aren't gatecampers.
Yup.
Discussion today went along these lines:

- Low Sec could have some Faction NPCs that come and assist the side that is attacked first, picks up corp, alliance and fleet, repairs a bit and can be destroyed. Mechanics based on factionstanding and the system you are in. Some assistance but nothing that definitely swings the fight just brings it closer to even.
- What about the Faction Warefare people that like it how it is now?
- The what? 6% who have so many systems? I think they could have a few "war frontier systems" that cater to them. There also needs to be less penalty for aggressing in low sec, security status.
- Low Sec and High Sec should be distinctly different. Not a gradual slide.
- If it isn't seen as a next step then it is fundementally flawed.
...
- High Sec Incursions pay more per hour than Null Sec run of the mill activities and Null Incursions are limited on access.
- Low Sec Incursions need to pay significantly more than High Sec ones OR High Sec Incursions should be reduces and that would keep better in line with Null Sec also.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#87 - 2015-02-17 05:37:02 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:
thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS


That right there might be the wrong attitude.

People like me home in on these kind of ******** responses.


Always nice to see "elite" PvP players punching at their own weight class. Roll
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#88 - 2015-02-17 05:42:05 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
There would probably be less ganking if there were viable alternatives to it.

There aren't.
I'm surprised more mercs haven't turned to it tbh. I know that there's a steady supply of idiots that think it's ok to sail into a trade hub or up a pipe with a wardec, but given how trivial it is to shed one these days I'd guess that many of your targets just reroll the corp or drop to NPC for the duration.
I'm surprised how many "elite" PVPers cling to high sec for easy targets.
Different strokes for different folks, not all PvP is the same in all areas of space; look at the attempts by null entities to get a foothold in wormholes, they had to learn whole new ways of thinking.
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I think Low Sec must be pretty broken if it isn't seen as the next step by both them and bears.
I can't speak for hisec PvPers but PvE in lowsec requires effort, something many aren't willing to put in. Even doing PI in lowsec, which I do, requires some planning to get in and out without running gatecamps or being jumped by a NPSI fleet.

ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"

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Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#89 - 2015-02-17 05:45:29 UTC
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
There would probably be less ganking if there were viable alternatives to it.

There aren't.
I'm surprised more mercs haven't turned to it tbh. I know that there's a steady supply of idiots that think it's ok to sail into a trade hub or up a pipe with a wardec, but given how trivial it is to shed one these days I'd guess that many of your targets just reroll the corp or drop to NPC for the duration.
I'm surprised how many "elite" PVPers cling to high sec for easy targets.
Different strokes for different folks, not all PvP is the same in all areas of space; look at the attempts by null entities to get a foothold in wormholes, they had to learn whole new ways of thinking.
Quote:
I think Low Sec must be pretty broken if it isn't seen as the next step by both them and bears.
I can't speak for hisec PvPers but PvE in lowsec requires effort, something many aren't willing to put in. Even doing PI in lowsec, which I do, requires some planning to get in and out without running gatecamps or being jumped by a NPSI fleet.



Lowsec PVE aversion has nothing to do with effort. It has to do with PVE being a predominantly single player activity and pvp being about who has more ships. Lowsec is run by groups of flashy guys with more ships.

Actually you want to know what Highsec looks like with your friends grand vision for the game... it looks a lot like Lowsec, only worse because there won't be a feed area for fresh targets.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Paranoid Loyd
#90 - 2015-02-17 05:52:14 UTC
I have an alt currently mining in Low Sec, I have been doing it the whole time you have been spouting off all the common misconceptions this game has, its like you are reading them from a book.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#91 - 2015-02-17 05:54:18 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
I have an alt currently mining in Low Sec, I have been doing it the whole time you have been spouting off all the common misconceptions this game has, its like you are reading them from a book.



So in your Eve there is no blobs, Lowsec is full of people making massive isk and highsec gankers live in fear constantly? Ok, got it.

Is that Serenity your playing on or something?

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#92 - 2015-02-17 05:55:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Concord Guy's Cousin
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Lowsec PVE aversion has nothing to do with effort. It has to do with PVE being a predominantly single player activity and pvp being about who has more ships. Lowsec is run by groups of flashy guys with more ships.
It has everything to with it, I run my PI ops in lowsec; as such I know who the locals are, I know when they're active, I know how to get to and from hisec without running into a gatecamp. In short I actively make an effort to not get dead.

Quote:
Actually you want to know what Highsec looks like with your friends grand vision for the game... it looks a lot like Lowsec, only worse because there won't be a feed area for fresh targets.
Nope, it looks like a return to the Eve I started playing in 2009; hisec PvPer's aren't pushing for anything new, they pushing for the return of something old.

ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#93 - 2015-02-17 05:55:51 UTC
Null Sec done right is actually the safest place to mine.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#94 - 2015-02-17 06:00:04 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Null Sec done right is actually the safest place to mine.



aka with your intel channels open.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Paranoid Loyd
#95 - 2015-02-17 06:00:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
I have an alt currently mining in Low Sec, I have been doing it the whole time you have been spouting off all the common misconceptions this game has, its like you are reading them from a book.



So in your Eve there is no blobs, Lowsec is full of people making massive isk and highsec gankers live in fear constantly? Ok, got it.

Is that Serenity your playing on or something?


Tranquility. A nice quiet .2, today I got a Garmur BPC, a clone soldier tag and plenty more gnessis in this anomaly than I could mine in a week. Combine that with a level 3 agent a few systems away and I am making pretty good isk for a 3 month old toon.

Sure there is blobs and I take steps to mitigate them, it adds challenge to the game. I have to dock up when the blobs come thorough, but once they realize you are paying attention they don't mess with you as they know it is a waste of time.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#96 - 2015-02-17 06:01:58 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
I have an alt currently mining in Low Sec, I have been doing it the whole time you have been spouting off all the common misconceptions this game has, its like you are reading them from a book.



So in your Eve there is no blobs, Lowsec is full of people making massive isk and highsec gankers live in fear constantly? Ok, got it.

Is that Serenity your playing on or something?


Tranquility. A nice quiet .2, today I got a Garmur BPC, a clone soldier tag and plenty more gnessis in this anomaly than I could mine in a week. Combine that with a level 3 agent a few systems away and I am making pretty good isk for a 3 month old toon.

Sure there is blobs and I take steps to mitigate them, it adds challenge to the game. I currently have a large gnessis anomaly to my self, sure I have to dock up when the blobs come thorough, but once they realize you are paying attention they don't mess with you as they know it is a waste of time.



Hint, I live in a wormhole. Moved there after missioning the crap out of Hophib and accumulating more LP than anyone should possibly have with MoW.

I don't like highsec, I don't live in highsec. Your mining in lowsec does not suddenly make your calls for eve to HTFU have anymore weight than my living in a WH has weight on asking that criminals be treated as such by the game.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#97 - 2015-02-17 06:10:40 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Null Sec done right is actually the safest place to mine.


aka with your intel channels open.

That's one tool that can help, but not essential.

I have an alt mining in Syndicate right now so that character can build a Moros for me.

Just a Procurer. Nothing else.
Claud Tiberius
#98 - 2015-02-17 06:12:26 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:
so i was ganked in hi sec yesterday by 3 destroyers...even with all my drones trained to l5 and a fleet t2 shield harmony boost plus all the fleets drones set to guard my ship...i lost the attack. My fleet boosters drones did'nt even respond to there attack but just before that they responded to some rats that came in. After i lost my ship i docked at the station and thats where the gankers went also, they sure enjoyed making fun in local so i set it up so anyone i my corp could kill them. Well that did'nt work either, as soon as my corp member undocked and seen them he locked on and fired but was destroyed by concord. He tried to dock when they started shooting but got the message ( docking not allowed because he agressed another pilot or something) i guess this game is set up to make no sense to me at all. i checked under my killrights and it was set so anyone in my corp could kill but it did'nt work and so another ship was lost. All i wanted to do was mine alittle in hisec but might be better off in lowsec for all the good it did me. anyone else feeling cheated lately ? Wish i could just once feel like my time and training was worth all the years invested in this game . FEELING RIPPED OFF...Cheers


You've been playing a game for years and don't know how it works?

That's pretty much the definition of High Sec. Players in low, null and wormhole space are FORCED to learn the game mechanics because not learning them results in frequent losses. But a player can go years in high sec without having anything bad happen (I know, 8 years of high sec with only two attempted ganks, none successful).

You are feel 'cheated' when you should be feeling a sense of "I need to get better at this game'.


The age of an account is not always the same as the amount of time played. Many people take breaks from EVE and some just play less than others. So naive....

Once upon a time the Golem had a Raven hull and it looked good. Then it transformed into a plataduck. The end.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#99 - 2015-02-17 06:13:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Market McSelling Alt
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Null Sec done right is actually the safest place to mine.


aka with your intel channels open.

That's one tool that can help, but not essential.

I have an alt mining in Syndicate right now so that character can build a Moros for me.

Just a Procurer. Nothing else.



The amount of trying to convince the game population that you guys mine in low/null and therefore deserve to desecrate the highsec population at will is startling.

Do any of us carebears start claiming to be gankers on our mains or something? Do you think anyone cares how much veld you crush in whatever region you are in, doesn't make your vision for the game any more palpable.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#100 - 2015-02-17 06:17:03 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Because you are spouting rubbish. Suicide ganking is the single most punished activity in EVE and given your reaction to what I said you know that what you said was a lie. The simple fact here is that you cannot be bothered to protect yourself so you as CCP to do it for you.



I havent asked CCP to do anything for me. I also disagree with suicide ganking as the most punished activity, Macro Mining is. But that is a different activity all together.

Tell me, why is it ok for a -10 to goons not be able to dock at their stations in null but it is ok for a -10 to all of empire be able to dock anywhere they want in empire?


When was the last time you had to activly protect your high sec station of choice from a supercap fleet? Corp standings are not the same as security standings.