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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#61 - 2015-02-17 00:13:00 UTC
Eodin Orlenard wrote:
High-sec gankers have become a plague in New Eden. But I will say something for them, they have given me quite the realization... EVE is not the game for me.

I have.... had hope for humanity, but seriously, this game has ruined that for me. To think there are that many people like that living out our planet. It honestly sickens me.


Go play RUST.

All your notions about the goodness in humanity go out the window when your naked neighbor smashes your head in with a rock, squats in your house and uses your own campfire to cook your harvested flesh for a snack while he loots your ****.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#62 - 2015-02-17 00:18:37 UTC
Harrison Tato wrote:
I think he means that knowing that some people get their kicks ruining the fun of others playing a game make him sick.

People aren't getting their kicks out of ruining other people's fun. They are getting their kicks by having fun themselves.

That having fun involves blowing things up doesn't mean they have anything against the other person. It's just a game.
Paranoid Loyd
#63 - 2015-02-17 00:18:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Harrison Tato wrote:
You gotta admit. Geeks who try to make other geeks feel bad when they blow up their "space ship" is pretty sad.

What's sad is becoming emotionally attached to space pixels and QQing when they blowup, especially when said space pixels are in a game where they are designed to blow up or the game stagnates.

I don't extract tears but if they flow naturally, I won't do much to stop them unless the player demonstrates a desire to learn. The fact of the matter is some are either too entitled or ignorant to realize that protecting your assets is one of the parts of playing the game. If you don't protect your things they will be taken from you.

That being said, as of late most of my victims have been quite curious as to how to avoid what happens to them. I have had more respectful inquiries about staying safe than tear-mails.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#64 - 2015-02-17 00:56:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Coming from the guy who just five posts ago lied to everyone on this forum by claiming that the gankers in highsec are not in it for the fun of knocking down the fat kid on the playground... One of us better be kidding.

Hahaha. Lol.

You got me. People aren't playing this game to have fun at all. How wrong of me.

But at least quote me properly. I said they are not ganking in order to ruin the other person's fun, just to have fun themselves, in a game that involves shooting things.
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ISD Alliance
#65 - 2015-02-17 00:57:12 UTC
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Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#66 - 2015-02-17 03:00:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Concord Guy's Cousin
Juno Rook wrote:
I consider myself to be a very casual player compared to other EVE players. I also have not been playing very long.

Even I know, in the short time I've been playing, how things work.

When you undock in EVE you've already been killed, it just takes time to catch up to you. That is how the game is played and it's what makes the game so exciting.

I totally suck at pvp so I stick to mining and pve. Even then I still get a thrill by just being out in the "sandbox" knowing that a moment of inattention can cause my death.

Never AFK and get better or don't play. The choice is yours.

You'll do well here, not exploding because you were paying attention is as much PvP as shooting someone in the face that isn't paying attention.
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
That being said, as of late most of my victims have been quite curious as to how to avoid what happens to them. I have had more respectful inquiries about staying safe than tear-mails.
They're doing it right, fair play to them.

ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"

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MPaladin
Omega Dawn Corp
#67 - 2015-02-17 04:11:47 UTC
SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:
thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS



You don't give up mining. What you do have to give up, is the illusion that Hi-Sec is safe. What a lot of Hi-Sec corps need to learn, is to start treating the mining belts like they Low Sec or Null Sec. And start providing cover for the mining operations. That means putting people near the gates watching for known gankers entering the system, having combat ships in the belts with the miners to protect the mining ships.

The thing is once you stop providing easy targets, the gankers will move on to something else.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#68 - 2015-02-17 04:19:36 UTC
MPaladin wrote:
SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:
thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS



You don't give up mining. What you do have to give up, is the illusion that Hi-Sec is safe. What a lot of Hi-Sec corps need to learn, is to start treating the mining belts like they Low Sec or Null Sec. And start providing cover for the mining operations. That means putting people near the gates watching for known gankers entering the system, having combat ships in the belts with the miners to protect the mining ships.

The thing is once you stop providing easy targets, the gankers will move on to something else.



But the reason gankers pick highsec is because it is safe for them. See there is little consequence for their actions, and little that can be done against someone who warps off in his pod and boards a dropped ship the moment before their attack.

Gankers dont go to lowsec, the pirates would kill them, Gankers dont go to Nullsec, the alliances would get them and intel would scare off their targets. And gankers dont go to WH's because they wouldn't know who was coming for them. They are the McDonalds of pvp... sure its food, but just barely and no one is going to try and make it what it isn't.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#69 - 2015-02-17 04:36:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Concord Guy's Cousin
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
But the reason gankers pick highsec is because it is safe for them.
Gankers pick hisec because the pickings are plentiful and the herd is collectively dumb. The few that do take steps to protect themselves are irrelevant in the face of mass ignorance, complacency and apathy.

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See there is little consequence for their actions, and little that can be done against someone who warps off in his pod and boards a dropped ship the moment before their attack.
This kind of thinking is why people fail at combatting gankers. There is plenty of information available on the forums about how to combat gankers, both passively and actively.

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Gankers dont go to lowsec, the pirates would kill them, Gankers dont go to Nullsec, the alliances would get them and intel would scare off their targets. And gankers dont go to WH's because they wouldn't know who was coming for them.
You are aware that a sizable percentage of hisec gankers actively participate in nullsec, lowsec and wormholes PvP too aren't you?

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They are the McDonalds of pvp... sure its food, but just barely and no one is going to try and make it what it isn't.
How so? Just like players everywhere, they're making the best of the mechanics available to them, to work within the rules to play the game the way they want to.

ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#70 - 2015-02-17 04:39:33 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
MPaladin wrote:
SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:
thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS



You don't give up mining. What you do have to give up, is the illusion that Hi-Sec is safe. What a lot of Hi-Sec corps need to learn, is to start treating the mining belts like they Low Sec or Null Sec. And start providing cover for the mining operations. That means putting people near the gates watching for known gankers entering the system, having combat ships in the belts with the miners to protect the mining ships.

The thing is once you stop providing easy targets, the gankers will move on to something else.



But the reason gankers pick highsec is because it is safe for them. See there is little consequence for their actions, and little that can be done against someone who warps off in his pod and boards a dropped ship the moment before their attack.

Gankers dont go to lowsec, the pirates would kill them, Gankers dont go to Nullsec, the alliances would get them and intel would scare off their targets. And gankers dont go to WH's because they wouldn't know who was coming for them. They are the McDonalds of pvp... sure its food, but just barely and no one is going to try and make it what it isn't.


You cant suicide gank in lowsec, the targets all live in highsec and if the consequences are so low then I guess you wont mind having all of them also apply to when you mine a rock or shoot an NPC.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#71 - 2015-02-17 04:43:26 UTC
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
But the reason gankers pick highsec is because it is safe for them.
Gankers pick hisec because the pickings are plentiful and the herd is collectively dumb.

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See there is little consequence for their actions, and little that can be done against someone who warps off in his pod and boards a dropped ship the moment before their attack.
This kind of thinking is why people fail at combatting gankers. There is plenty of information available on the forums about how to combat gankers, both passively and actively.

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Gankers dont go to lowsec, the pirates would kill them, Gankers dont go to Nullsec, the alliances would get them and intel would scare off their targets. And gankers dont go to WH's because they wouldn't know who was coming for them.
You are aware that a sizable percentage of hisec gankers actively participate in nullsec, lowsec and wormholes PvP too aren't you?

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They are the McDonalds of pvp... sure its food, but just barely and no one is going to try and make it what it isn't.
How so? Just like players everywhere, they're making the best of the mechanics available to them, to work within the rules to play the game the way they want to.





There is more nullsec pve activity per player than highsec, but there is no way for me to objectively define which group of players is more "dumb" than the other

There is nothing of consequence to fighting gankers, their ships are cheap, their pods are worthless and their sec statis is always low and un-deterring

Prove that gankers actually go to low or null. You can't, and I can't prove they don't. Their actions speak for themselves. If PVP was so much more plentiful in null, and they were looking for PVP, then why do they hang out in highsec?

You apply this logic to carebears and pve and you now see why the argument you ganker types make is ridiculous. Both groups try to play the game, one group tries to push the limits to make the other suffer. While ganking serves a purpose, so does carebearing. You won't see the virtues of their play, we don't see the virtues of yours.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#72 - 2015-02-17 04:44:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
MPaladin wrote:
SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:
thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS



You don't give up mining. What you do have to give up, is the illusion that Hi-Sec is safe. What a lot of Hi-Sec corps need to learn, is to start treating the mining belts like they Low Sec or Null Sec. And start providing cover for the mining operations. That means putting people near the gates watching for known gankers entering the system, having combat ships in the belts with the miners to protect the mining ships.

The thing is once you stop providing easy targets, the gankers will move on to something else.



But the reason gankers pick highsec is because it is safe for them. See there is little consequence for their actions, and little that can be done against someone who warps off in his pod and boards a dropped ship the moment before their attack.

Gankers dont go to lowsec, the pirates would kill them, Gankers dont go to Nullsec, the alliances would get them and intel would scare off their targets. And gankers dont go to WH's because they wouldn't know who was coming for them. They are the McDonalds of pvp... sure its food, but just barely and no one is going to try and make it what it isn't.


You cant suicide gank in lowsec, the targets all live in highsec and if the consequences are so low then I guess you wont mind having all of them also apply to when you mine a rock or shoot an NPC.



That is absurd. Why should I suffer consequences for gameplay I don't choose to participate in. Yes suicide ganking has little consequence, but what in this world makes you think I should suffer the same to mine some veld?

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#73 - 2015-02-17 04:52:20 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
MPaladin wrote:
SnowFlower Crendraven wrote:
thanks for all the responses, I like to here from other players on this. I really don't know all the game mechanic's and now that i see its rigged to pamper the players that can't seem to find others to fight fair I've decided to quit mining . CHEERS



You don't give up mining. What you do have to give up, is the illusion that Hi-Sec is safe. What a lot of Hi-Sec corps need to learn, is to start treating the mining belts like they Low Sec or Null Sec. And start providing cover for the mining operations. That means putting people near the gates watching for known gankers entering the system, having combat ships in the belts with the miners to protect the mining ships.

The thing is once you stop providing easy targets, the gankers will move on to something else.



But the reason gankers pick highsec is because it is safe for them. See there is little consequence for their actions, and little that can be done against someone who warps off in his pod and boards a dropped ship the moment before their attack.

Gankers dont go to lowsec, the pirates would kill them, Gankers dont go to Nullsec, the alliances would get them and intel would scare off their targets. And gankers dont go to WH's because they wouldn't know who was coming for them. They are the McDonalds of pvp... sure its food, but just barely and no one is going to try and make it what it isn't.


You cant suicide gank in lowsec, the targets all live in highsec and if the consequences are so low then I guess you wont mind having all of them also apply to when you mine a rock or shoot an NPC.



That is absurd. Why should I suffer consequences for gameplay I don't choose to participate in. Yes suicide ganking has little consequence, but what in this world makes you think I should suffer the same to mine some veld?


Because you are spouting rubbish. Suicide ganking is the single most punished activity in EVE and given your reaction to what I said you know that what you said was a lie. The simple fact here is that you cannot be bothered to protect yourself so you as CCP to do it for you.
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2015-02-17 04:59:32 UTC
This thread makes me want to vote for Tora

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

Free The Scope Three
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#75 - 2015-02-17 05:00:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


Because you are spouting rubbish. Suicide ganking is the single most punished activity in EVE and given your reaction to what I said you know that what you said was a lie. The simple fact here is that you cannot be bothered to protect yourself so you as CCP to do it for you.



I havent asked CCP to do anything for me. I also disagree with suicide ganking as the most punished activity, Macro Mining is. But that is a different activity all together.

Tell me, why is it ok for a -10 to goons not be able to dock at their stations in null but it is ok for a -10 to all of empire be able to dock anywhere they want in empire?

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#76 - 2015-02-17 05:10:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Tell me, why is it ok for a -10 to goons not be able to dock at their stations in null but it is ok for a -10 to all of empire be able to dock anywhere they want in empire?

Because sov owners own the stations.

Capsuleers don't own the stations in highsec, lowsec or NPC null..
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#77 - 2015-02-17 05:14:13 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Tell me, why is it ok for a -10 to goons not be able to dock at their stations in null but it is ok for a -10 to all of empire be able to dock anywhere they want in empire?

Because sov owners own the stations.

Capsuleers don't own the stations in highsec or lowsec.



No, but those guys chasing you everywhere shooting you in highsec do... so why would they let you hide in their stations?

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#78 - 2015-02-17 05:14:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Concord Guy's Cousin
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
There is more nullsec pve activity per player than highsec, but there is no way for me to objectively define which group of players is more "dumb" than the other
I wouldn't know tbh, but would like to see your data. By the herd being collectively dumb I meant that for the most part they may as well be NPCs.They certainly act like them right up until they start screaming about how it's unfair that somebody can make them explode.

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There is nothing of consequence to fighting gankers, their ships are cheap, their pods are worthless and their sec statis is always low and un-deterring
Who said anything about fighting, denying them kills is just as much PvP as getting them; combatting gankers doesn't need guns, it requires a little knowledge, some forethought and planning.

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Prove that gankers actually go to low or null. You can't, and I can't prove they don't. Their actions speak for themselves. If PVP was so much more plentiful in null, and they were looking for PVP, then why do they hang out in highsec?
Some of it is commerce raiding, an ancient form of economic warfare. Nullsec entities use alts to haul their stuff from Jita, if you're ar at war with a nullsec corp, you hit their supply chain in hisec where its vulnerable, denying them supplies. As for gankers going to low or null, where do you think MiniLuv come from? Looks at the alliances and corps of some of the pro suicide gank posters, then look at their killboards.

CODE. are having a lot of fun RPing cultist extortionists and pirates, nothing wrong with that; it's not like they even make a dent on hisec traffic or miners.

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You apply this logic to carebears and pve and you now see why the argument you ganker types make is ridiculous.
Both groups try to play the game, one group tries to push the limits to make the other suffer. While ganking serves a purpose, so does carebearing. You won't see the virtues of their play, we don't see the virtues of yours.
Umm I happen to be a bear, I don't participate in ganking. I mine, I mission, I do some PI, I trade, I sneak into wormholes and hope nobody wakes up while I'm stealing their rats. Other players, including gankers and other purveyors of fine hisec shenanigans are my content, just as I am content for them.

I certainly do see the virtues of a mostly hisec PvE playstyle, and follow it. However, I also see the virtues of a hisec PvP playstyle; that I currently choose to follow one over the other is neither here nor there.

You'll find many gankers also have PvE alts, some in nullsec, some in hisec. They see the virtues of a PvE playstyle, I bet most of them fit tanks and don't go afk in space though.

Appreciating the virtues of one doesn't mean you can't appreciate the other too.

ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"

NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#79 - 2015-02-17 05:16:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
No, but those guys chasing you everywhere shooting you in highsec do... so why would they let you hide in their stations?

Let who. Me? Because I'm a friendly guy and I pay my taxes like everyone else I guess. I'm also not an outlaw, not that it matters anyway.

Don't know really. I don't bother myself with NPCs too much. That's kind of off topic.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#80 - 2015-02-17 05:19:33 UTC
There would probably be less ganking if there were viable alternatives to it.

There aren't.