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Please Fix The Omen Hull
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#81 - 2015-02-17 04:50:33 UTC
Well, there's a certain way of approaching the problem.

The problem is not the augmentation in and of itself, but rather the fact that the Omen is a complete ship without it.
Removing it completely is probably not the best way of going about it, as we can make it work with asymmetry.

The thing is, the augmentation looks... Exactly like that. It looks like something that has been added as an after-thought.

Unfortunately, I don't currently have appropriate modelling software on my computer, so I can't just go off and make a new model to illustrate my point, so I'll explain it in words.


To make the augmentation look more like a part of the ship, the ship would need to adapt to it. So imagine this:
Make the 'tumor' less curved, bring it closer to the hull, and make the armor 'incomplete' where the augmentation extends (the armor plates 'go around' it).
This would give us the interpretation that it is a fundamental piece of defense (in some way) to the ship, purely because the ship makes it look as if it has been incorporated into the design.

I hold strong from my viewpoint that we can't just go removing all little inconsistencies just because they don't look as good in their current state.
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2015-02-17 04:52:40 UTC
Jeaile wrote:

you forget things so easily, you compared it to something being broken

Which either means :

A) you are stupid and cannot draw on real examples, probably as there are none, aesthetics or looks are not about reason merely personal preference
or
B) You actually think it is broken because you don't like it

I think that the comparison was intended to be between the reasons for not fixing a problem, and not between the problems themselves.

What I mean is, I was just saying your reasoning was dumb. I didn't mean that the Omen hull is "broken", just that your reason for why we should not fix it, is really really stupid.

Maybe it was a bad comparison, but I don't care. It is, again, just a semantic problem. You are ignoring the big picture.
Jeaile
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2015-02-17 04:55:56 UTC
Ares Desideratus wrote:
Jeaile wrote:

you forget things so easily, you compared it to something being broken

Which either means :

A) you are stupid and cannot draw on real examples, probably as there are none, aesthetics or looks are not about reason merely personal preference
or
B) You actually think it is broken because you don't like it

I think that the comparison was intended to be between the reasons for not fixing a problem, and not between the problems themselves.

What I mean is, I was just saying your reasoning was dumb. I didn't mean that the Omen hull is "broken", just that your reason for why we should not fix it, is really really stupid.

Maybe it was a bad comparison, but I don't care. It is, again, just a semantic problem. You are ignoring the big picture.


No I'm not, i'm just saying you are wrong

The supposed big picture is that there is a massive issue because you, yes just you, think the Omen is hideous because of one small part of it's design.

My reason for not fixing it, is that it isn't broken, complex I know, but there it is.

As mentioned previously, you are just whining here because no-one else would listen to you
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2015-02-17 04:57:33 UTC
Jeaile wrote:


My comment isn't funny and has been echoed above.

It seems your thread amounts to - Waaaah, I don't like something and as I have no friends to actually talk to about it, I'll post it on the forums and refute any possible suggestion I may be wrong

I am not "gotten to", whatever the **** that means, and I'm not trolling.

I just think your personal viewpoint on this is ****, and am more than happy to say so

That's pretty much it. Because I'm right, the thing on the side of the Omen is too damn ugly, it shouldn't have been there in the first place but if it has to be there, it sure as hell can be something less ugly than what we currently have.

So, are you actually a fan of the so called, aesthetically pleasing protrusion on the side of the Omen hull, or do you just happen to think that it would be too much effort to just give a bit of tumor-removal and be done with it (or at least give it a edit to make it look less stupid) ?
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2015-02-17 05:02:36 UTC
Jeaile wrote:


No I'm not, i'm just saying you are wrong

The supposed big picture is that there is a massive issue because you, yes just you, think the Omen is hideous because of one small part of it's design.

My reason for not fixing it, is that it isn't broken, complex I know, but there it is.

As mentioned previously, you are just whining here because no-one else would listen to you

It doesn't need to be broken to get fixed, no ship hull / model can actually be "broken" in the traditional sense. Again you are arguing about semantic ****. It's too ugly not to fix. The Moa wasn't "broken" either. I'm not saying the Omen is anywhere as bad as the Moa, but I'm just saying, the aesthetically repulsive protrusion on the side of the hull, is.

No, I'm just whining here in the hopes that I can possibly get them to fix the Omen. I think that would be cool as ****.
Jeaile
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2015-02-17 05:04:55 UTC
I think it is cool, as unlike you, I don't want everything to look stale and standard.

This is in the future, in space where it does not need to be aerodynamic, nor meet any particularly normal, by current standards, aesthetics.

These things are some of what make eve different from the random, it needs to be aerodynamic to fly in space type games
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2015-02-17 05:05:17 UTC
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Well, there's a certain way of approaching the problem.

The problem is not the augmentation in and of itself, but rather the fact that the Omen is a complete ship without it.
Removing it completely is probably not the best way of going about it, as we can make it work with asymmetry.

The thing is, the augmentation looks... Exactly like that. It looks like something that has been added as an after-thought.

Unfortunately, I don't currently have appropriate modelling software on my computer, so I can't just go off and make a new model to illustrate my point, so I'll explain it in words.


To make the augmentation look more like a part of the ship, the ship would need to adapt to it. So imagine this:
Make the 'tumor' less curved, bring it closer to the hull, and make the armor 'incomplete' where the augmentation extends (the armor plates 'go around' it).
This would give us the interpretation that it is a fundamental piece of defense (in some way) to the ship, purely because the ship makes it look as if it has been incorporated into the design.

I hold strong from my viewpoint that we can't just go removing all little inconsistencies just because they don't look as good in their current state.

It's fair enough. As I've said it doesn't need to be completely removed.

Supposedly it is a drone-bay. Well, why not make it look like an actual drone bay?

And, as someone else pointed out, since the Zealot has no drone bay, why not get rid of it all together on that hull?
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2015-02-17 05:07:35 UTC
Jeaile wrote:
I think it is cool, as unlike you, I don't want everything to look stale and standard.

This is in the future, in space where it does not need to be aerodynamic, nor meet any particularly normal, by current standards, aesthetics.

These things are some of what make eve different from the random, it needs to be aerodynamic to fly in space type games

That's the problem with some of you. You think just because I don't like the tumor that I want it to be "stale and standard" really? Look at the stupid thing. It actually looks like an Impairor. Have you seen an Impairor before? It literally looks like one of those just randomly landed on the side of the Omen. It just looks plain stupid. Whatever has to be attached to the side of the Omen, it could look a LOT cooler than that.
Jeaile
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2015-02-17 05:09:13 UTC
anyone who thinks it is a drone bay is on drugs, I look at it more of a sensorium, kept apart from the main hull to minimise disturbance from other systems. Like modern day naval ships have sensor towers, but in the future, in space

Fundamentally, it doesn't have to make sense, it just is.

Will they change it, I am sure they will at some stage, over time they are doing them all I think, but little things like that make the Omen and the Thorax, for example, cool
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2015-02-17 05:12:07 UTC
Jeaile wrote:
anyone who thinks it is a drone bay is on drugs, I look at it more of a sensorium, kept apart from the main hull to minimise disturbance from other systems. Like modern day naval ships have sensor towers, but in the future, in space

Fundamentally, it doesn't have to make sense, it just is.

Will they change it, I am sure they will at some stage, over time they are doing them all I think, but little things like that make the Omen and the Thorax, for example, cool

You think the tumor is what makes the Omen look cool?

K. Autism confirmed.

(or some other mental disorder)
Jeaile
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2015-02-17 05:13:08 UTC
you have a lot of hate for tumours, and your continued use of the word speaks as much. tumour's look like anything really, each one is different

The fact that you keep calling a part of a spaceship a tumour, only speaks to your mind, not to what it is.

The fact that the module looks like an impairor should not be surprising, given the same race made both hulls. There would be aesthetic similarities between both

Stop the hate man, and being so angry, it's not cool
Jeaile
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2015-02-17 05:15:17 UTC
Ares Desideratus wrote:
Jeaile wrote:
anyone who thinks it is a drone bay is on drugs, I look at it more of a sensorium, kept apart from the main hull to minimise disturbance from other systems. Like modern day naval ships have sensor towers, but in the future, in space

Fundamentally, it doesn't have to make sense, it just is.

Will they change it, I am sure they will at some stage, over time they are doing them all I think, but little things like that make the Omen and the Thorax, for example, cool

You think the tumor is what makes the Omen look cool?

K. Autism confirmed.

(or some other mental disorder)


Nope, not autistic, disappointing that you treat people with that disability with such disdain.

You need some real help man, such hate for people who are different, such vilification
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2015-02-17 05:17:33 UTC
You are such a troll go away
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2015-02-17 05:20:38 UTC
What am I supposed to call it? It's been debated back and forth over what the thing actually is

I'm just calling it a tumor to make it sound worse to help my case

But it's been called so many things so far it's ridiculous.

There probably isn't a reason to have the thing there at all from a RP or storyline perspective

Plus it looks really really dumb

Like really dumb

Like just look at it
Jeaile
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2015-02-17 05:25:04 UTC
Ares Desideratus wrote:
You are such a troll go away


I'm a troll because you treat mental illness like it's a joke??

and you think that the module on the side of the omen is a tumour

Such an angry little man
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2015-02-17 05:46:52 UTC
You act offended because I called you autistic and then go on to say I am the one who is angry

Sorry, I didn't know you were really autistic, it was just a joke, I didn't know you would be so offended

And I just called the "module" on the side of the Omen a tumor, because there isn't really any better word for it. It's a useless anomaly, and since there's no definite word on what the damn thing actually is, tumor is as good a word as any

Anyway, keep trolling
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2015-02-17 10:14:27 UTC
Spent a few hours looking through the web. Unfortunatelly was not able to find kind of schematic print ir either fan art for Omen. As well as a proposuals for the hull concept.

I'll keep searching. So now i wonder if the tumor is something actually usefull and part of the hull.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
MarkyJ
#98 - 2015-02-17 13:52:10 UTC
Putting it out there, I think the Omen is a beautiful hull and I like the protrusion. I'd always assumed it was some kind of sensor suite rather than a drone bay (it just made sense to my logic. You can't bury sensors under ****-tonnes of armour and still get maximum efficiency and if you have to weaken the hull then might as do so on an extended part of the ship that won't cripple the ship if it's breached). Anyway, since everyones opion matters (statement verified by both sides of the argument) then my vote for keeping it the same is at least as valid as OPs desire to change it.

Particularly since we'd change it in different ways.

Op says he wants it shrunk/removed. If the Omen has to be changed, I'd rather the protrusions size stay the same and the hull curve out towards it outside of the area directly under it. Remove the armour from the area under it to make almost like a crater and you can even have a dynamic model where the ship pulls the thing neatly back into the hull when it warps and extends it again when it exits. And maybe an engine on the back to balance the thrust and mass. Maybe reduce it's distance from the hull slightly but no more than 10% (curves will make it look closer anyway). Thoughts?

But that's completly the oposite of what some people want. OP wants the stub played down, I want it to be emphasized without being ridiculous.
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2015-02-17 14:02:59 UTC
MarkyJ wrote:
Putting it out there, I think the Omen is a beautiful hull and I like the protrusion. I'd always assumed it was some kind of sensor suite rather than a drone bay (it just made sense to my logic. You can't bury sensors under ****-tonnes of armour and still get maximum efficiency and if you have to weaken the hull then might as do so on an extended part of the ship that won't cripple the ship if it's breached). Anyway, since everyones opion matters (statement verified by both sides of the argument) then my vote for keeping it the same is at least as valid as OPs desire to change it.

Particularly since we'd change it in different ways.

Op says he wants it shrunk/removed. If the Omen has to be changed, I'd rather the protrusions size stay the same and the hull curve out towards it outside of the area directly under it. Remove the armour from the area under it to make almost like a crater and you can even have a dynamic model where the ship pulls the thing neatly back into the hull when it warps and extends it again when it exits. And maybe an engine on the back to balance the thrust and mass. Maybe reduce it's distance from the hull slightly but no more than 10% (curves will make it look closer anyway). Thoughts?

But that's completly the oposite of what some people want. OP wants the stub played down, I want it to be emphasized without being ridiculous.

More than anything I just want it to look less dumb.

It can stay the same size.

Your idea actually sounds good

I mainly don't like the way the thing looks

If they did what you described but also changed the way the thing looked to make it look cooler as a sensor or probe launcher or something that would be cool

The way it's shaped and everything right now is just crap

It's all pointy on one end like Impairor... looks stupid

Make it look less like an Impairor and more like an actual drone bay, probe launcher, ship sensor, basically whatever the heck CCP wants, whatever the thing is supposed to be, if it's just there for no reason apart from looks, then make it actually look good