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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#261 - 2015-02-09 18:40:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Nariya Kentaya
Xenuria wrote:
Dradis Aulmais wrote:
My questions

1. There's a lot of back and forth over the supposed cloak camper issue, where do you stand on it?

2. CCP has stated the "POS code is scary" and haven't done much work on it. Is this something they should work on? Should they replace the pos system with something else? If so, what should the replace it with?

3. Since you started play what are some of the changes you liked? Dislike? What do you think could have been done better?

4. CCP had a disagreement with CSM member funky bacon. So the rest of CSM and CCP created a new skype channel for the purpose of his exclusion . If this happened to you or another CSM how would you handle that situation?



1. I am not very experienced with Cloaking or Camping so I would defer to somebody who was.

2. I think what they mean when they say that the code is scarey is that the amount of time it would take to actually "fix" it would take away from other problems being fixed. My understanding is that ~Legacy Code~ is a time vampire for CCP which means they will only really commit to it if there is no other choice.

3. I loved the removal of clone costs, I used to be very averse to PVP because of how expensive my clones had become and since the removal of clone costs I have been roaming alot more. I disliked some of the Faction Warfare changes, specifically the re-spawning of NPC rats. I would rather have had a single strong rat than a few that respawn over and over. The clothing could use some work, 32 X 64 texture resolution is just inexcusable at this point in the games history. If you can't make something that meets a minimal standard of looking better than Warcraft or some other muddy art style than don't waste time making it. Work on something else.

4. I am not picking sides but I will say that exclusionary tactics for the purposes of spite are foolish and counter productive. It's one thing to disagree with somebody and it's another thing to circumvent their ability to express themselves as a member of a team. If it happened to me I would keep my cool and try to address the issue through the proper channels. I am very interested in settling or resolving disputes, I think flaming or throwing mud only makes matters worse. As a member of the CSM I would put my personal feelings and affiliations aside for the benefit of the effort that the CSM stands for.

Malcanis wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Also what do you mean by "erotica1" policies? Breaking the EULA is a disqualification before, during or after election.

NB: Merely telling people what they don't want to hear is not yet an EULA violation.


I am referring specifically to the misrepresentation portion of the policies that resulted from erotica 1.
Players are not allowed to impersonate other players or misrepresent themselves in the context of identity.

Example: A csm candidate could lie and say they are endorsed by somebody and the rules about misrepresentation would not apply to them.



Can you give an example of this occurring, or mattering if it did?


I will give you a specific example.
Let's say I went to all the systems where the CFC has sov sitters, I tell everybody in local that I am the official first choice for the CFC ballot and that they should all vote for me because I was endorsed by le mittani face himself. I would be misrepresenting myself in the context of impersonation as it relates to the erotica 1 policies, however as a CSM candidate those rules do not apply to me. In the context of the CSM I am allowed to buy, cheat, scam, coerce all to get votes.

It's stupid, just because I wouldn't ever do something like this doesn't mean nobody will.

the change by CCP was specifically that players and groups were not allowed to say they are someone they are not, you can, are allowed, and since every actual scam ever requires it to some degree, ENCOURAGED to claim relationships with other groups for the purposes of subversion.

what you are NOT allowed to do, is claim you are someone else by name or title, you cannot say you are a recruiter if you are not, as thats claiming someone else's identity by virtue of title, and you cannot say you are X or Y as people because that is claiming their identity by association of an alt or somesuch phrasing.

fact is, you ARE allowed to say you are "a goonswarm ballot pick" just like im allowed to go into N3 space and say "yo im a friendly dont shoot trust me", as long as you are not claiming someone else's identity its not against the rules. (or are you suggesting from now on all scammers/thieves should be required to put "im going to empty the wallet if i ever get director" on their recruitment request, else theyll be in violation of the rules if they ever do steal?)


*edit* to your specific example, as far as my knowledge and experience of the changes go, you CAN say you are endorsed by the Mittani, you CANNOT say you are someone's alt from goonswarm, saying your endorsed by The Mittani is perfectly fine because your not misrepresenting your identity, your misrepresenting an association, which is entirely different
Kiryen O'Bannon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#262 - 2015-02-10 01:01:39 UTC
Xenuria wrote:

My platform doesn't amount to an issue with specific people getting elected. I am of the mindset that reform is a good thing so long as it is reasonable and affects people fairly. I appreciate your logic in the context of alternatives but I think your looking at reform as a all encompassing effect on the state of being of an entire process. If I have a car that is by far the best car when compared to all the alternative cars, this shouldn't mean I can't swap out parts of the car to make it better.

I don't wish to change the CSM in it's entirety, merely reform aspects of it that i feel are problematic. Vote manipulation by means of large scale account purchases and monitoring are in my view all part of the same theme as they relate to my platform. The process should be fair or at least as fair as an internet space election can be made.


Ok, now we're getting somewhere. I presume that the below list you provided for another poster lays out the areas you think are problematic:

Quote:
There are currently no term limits.
The Erotica 1 Policies do not extend to CSM or CSM candidates
There are no rules or policies against buying votes with isk or other in-game items and services.
There are no rules or policies against coercing people to vote by ganking or camping.
There are no rules or policies against the wholesale purchase of eve accounts for the sole purpose of using them for vote padding.


First, the "Erotica 1 policies". To my understanding any policies surrounding Erotica 1's behavior had to do with treatment of people online in various formats, not misrepresentation of who one is. I am unclear on how this relates to the CSM.

On to the others:

Term limits - I am unaware of anyone serving more than 2 terms on the CSM, but I could be mistaken. However, this aat least seems to be true for the vast majority. CSM members commit a great deal of time, are unpaid, and lose much of their actual gameplay and seem not to run anyhow after 1 or 2 terms so I don't see why term limits are needed as it appears self-limiting. Can you explain why they are needed?

Purchase of accounts: This seems to mean money in CCPs pocket if it is done, and appears to be impractically expensive in terms of real-life dollars. Seeing as the CSM is purely advisory and a tanginble benefit - the financial health of the company that makes the game - is demonstrably helped, why is this a problem? What should be done, and why? Is it practical? Can you explain?

On the ganking and in-game vote buying: Again, the CSM is purely advisory, and these behaviors are in keeping with EVE's tradition, history, and market appeal. Why are they problems that need to be solved, and what is your proposed solution?

Finally, one other question - obviously the CSM will not spend all of its time on your issues. What do you plan to advocate for when not dealing with CSM-selection-related items?

Eternal Father, King of birth, /Who didst create the heaven and earth, /And bid the planets and the sun/ Their own appointed orbits run; /O hear us when we seek thy grace /For those who soar through outer space.
Xenuria
#263 - 2015-02-10 02:04:58 UTC
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Xenuria wrote:

My platform doesn't amount to an issue with specific people getting elected. I am of the mindset that reform is a good thing so long as it is reasonable and affects people fairly. I appreciate your logic in the context of alternatives but I think your looking at reform as a all encompassing effect on the state of being of an entire process. If I have a car that is by far the best car when compared to all the alternative cars, this shouldn't mean I can't swap out parts of the car to make it better.

I don't wish to change the CSM in it's entirety, merely reform aspects of it that i feel are problematic. Vote manipulation by means of large scale account purchases and monitoring are in my view all part of the same theme as they relate to my platform. The process should be fair or at least as fair as an internet space election can be made.


Ok, now we're getting somewhere. I presume that the below list you provided for another poster lays out the areas you think are problematic:

Quote:
There are currently no term limits.
The Erotica 1 Policies do not extend to CSM or CSM candidates
There are no rules or policies against buying votes with isk or other in-game items and services.
There are no rules or policies against coercing people to vote by ganking or camping.
There are no rules or policies against the wholesale purchase of eve accounts for the sole purpose of using them for vote padding.


First, the "Erotica 1 policies". To my understanding any policies surrounding Erotica 1's behavior had to do with treatment of people online in various formats, not misrepresentation of who one is. I am unclear on how this relates to the CSM.

On to the others:

Term limits - I am unaware of anyone serving more than 2 terms on the CSM, but I could be mistaken. However, this aat least seems to be true for the vast majority. CSM members commit a great deal of time, are unpaid, and lose much of their actual gameplay and seem not to run anyhow after 1 or 2 terms so I don't see why term limits are needed as it appears self-limiting. Can you explain why they are needed?

Purchase of accounts: This seems to mean money in CCPs pocket if it is done, and appears to be impractically expensive in terms of real-life dollars. Seeing as the CSM is purely advisory and a tanginble benefit - the financial health of the company that makes the game - is demonstrably helped, why is this a problem? What should be done, and why? Is it practical? Can you explain?

On the ganking and in-game vote buying: Again, the CSM is purely advisory, and these behaviors are in keeping with EVE's tradition, history, and market appeal. Why are they problems that need to be solved, and what is your proposed solution?

Finally, one other question - obviously the CSM will not spend all of its time on your issues. What do you plan to advocate for when not dealing with CSM-selection-related items?


I am happy to do whatever else needs doing.

CSM 12 Candidate
Kiryen O'Bannon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#264 - 2015-02-10 02:43:41 UTC
Xenuria wrote:

I am happy to do whatever else needs doing.


You really didn't answer any of my other questions, so I'm still curious to know why the issues you are running on should be regarded as problems?

As for whatever else needs doing, what does that entail? Are you saying you should be elected because you'll be happy to do all of the typing and other grunt work CSM members seem to do? That is an interesting plank in your platform.

Eternal Father, King of birth, /Who didst create the heaven and earth, /And bid the planets and the sun/ Their own appointed orbits run; /O hear us when we seek thy grace /For those who soar through outer space.
HarlyQ
harlyq syrokos investment station
#265 - 2015-02-10 08:27:54 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Xenuria wrote:

My platform doesn't amount to an issue with specific people getting elected. I am of the mindset that reform is a good thing so long as it is reasonable and affects people fairly. I appreciate your logic in the context of alternatives but I think your looking at reform as a all encompassing effect on the state of being of an entire process. If I have a car that is by far the best car when compared to all the alternative cars, this shouldn't mean I can't swap out parts of the car to make it better.

I don't wish to change the CSM in it's entirety, merely reform aspects of it that i feel are problematic. Vote manipulation by means of large scale account purchases and monitoring are in my view all part of the same theme as they relate to my platform. The process should be fair or at least as fair as an internet space election can be made.


Ok, now we're getting somewhere. I presume that the below list you provided for another poster lays out the areas you think are problematic:

Quote:
There are currently no term limits.
The Erotica 1 Policies do not extend to CSM or CSM candidates
There are no rules or policies against buying votes with isk or other in-game items and services.
There are no rules or policies against coercing people to vote by ganking or camping.
There are no rules or policies against the wholesale purchase of eve accounts for the sole purpose of using them for vote padding.


First, the "Erotica 1 policies". To my understanding any policies surrounding Erotica 1's behavior had to do with treatment of people online in various formats, not misrepresentation of who one is. I am unclear on how this relates to the CSM.

On to the others:

Term limits - I am unaware of anyone serving more than 2 terms on the CSM, but I could be mistaken. However, this aat least seems to be true for the vast majority. CSM members commit a great deal of time, are unpaid, and lose much of their actual gameplay and seem not to run anyhow after 1 or 2 terms so I don't see why term limits are needed as it appears self-limiting. Can you explain why they are needed?

Purchase of accounts: This seems to mean money in CCPs pocket if it is done, and appears to be impractically expensive in terms of real-life dollars. Seeing as the CSM is purely advisory and a tanginble benefit - the financial health of the company that makes the game - is demonstrably helped, why is this a problem? What should be done, and why? Is it practical? Can you explain?

On the ganking and in-game vote buying: Again, the CSM is purely advisory, and these behaviors are in keeping with EVE's tradition, history, and market appeal. Why are they problems that need to be solved, and what is your proposed solution?

Finally, one other question - obviously the CSM will not spend all of its time on your issues. What do you plan to advocate for when not dealing with CSM-selection-related items?


I am happy to do whatever else needs doing.

Do YOU Ever Answer Questions?
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#266 - 2015-02-10 11:12:19 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
I am happy to do whatever else needs doing.
Here we see why you're a bad candidate. Several questions to your platform, no answers.
The same with me earlier, the same with many people earlier.

So again, let's clarify:
- Your platform is, for all I can see, irrelevant to the game. To several areas of game design, your answer is "I'd defer to someone who knows", and while it's positive that you would only speak up when you know something, I don't think a silent CSM member is proper.
- Your platform seems mostly born out of a lack of ability to acknowledge why you don't get elected. It's because people don't vote for you, and do vote for other candidates. Candidates they like and support, and who will champion their issues. That's the basic function of any democratic process, yet you want it changed.
- The specific issues you bring up are either non-issues or so impractical, they're also non-issues.
- Your lack of understanding of both the CSM, the election process and at times even your own platform is problematic.
- You are unable to answer questions, and strawman them if you ever refer to questions you've received.

Then we have your history, your own claims of your "constituents", and what genuinely looks like the classic megalomania-trope, and you wonder why people don't see you as a respectable candidate.
This has nothing to do with fear of your platform, by the way. I'm very amused by your antics, and as said before in this thread, I would like you to run again, and again, and again, because I enjoy watching your flailing at even the easiest thing in a campaign.

Lastly, I just realised what your slogan could be!
"Xenuria, because I do whatever needs doing, unless it's answering questions, talking sense or ingame-related. Vote Xenuria!"
You can have that one for free.Blink
Bellak Hark
New Eden Media Organization
#267 - 2015-02-12 13:01:38 UTC
Xenuria
#268 - 2015-02-12 19:07:15 UTC
Bellak Hark wrote:
Here is your ad.


+1

Well made video! You should post it on reddit

CSM 12 Candidate
Bellak Hark
New Eden Media Organization
#269 - 2015-02-13 00:07:57 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Bellak Hark wrote:
Here is your ad.


+1

Well made video! You should post it on reddit



It's yours to use as you see fit. Feel free to post it anywhere you like.
HarlyQ
harlyq syrokos investment station
#270 - 2015-02-13 01:30:36 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
I am happy to do whatever else needs doing.
Here we see why you're a bad candidate. Several questions to your platform, no answers.
The same with me earlier, the same with many people earlier.

So again, let's clarify:
- Your platform is, for all I can see, irrelevant to the game. To several areas of game design, your answer is "I'd defer to someone who knows", and while it's positive that you would only speak up when you know something, I don't think a silent CSM member is proper.
- Your platform seems mostly born out of a lack of ability to acknowledge why you don't get elected. It's because people don't vote for you, and do vote for other candidates. Candidates they like and support, and who will champion their issues. That's the basic function of any democratic process, yet you want it changed.
- The specific issues you bring up are either non-issues or so impractical, they're also non-issues.
- Your lack of understanding of both the CSM, the election process and at times even your own platform is problematic.
- You are unable to answer questions, and strawman them if you ever refer to questions you've received.

Then we have your history, your own claims of your "constituents", and what genuinely looks like the classic megalomania-trope, and you wonder why people don't see you as a respectable candidate.
This has nothing to do with fear of your platform, by the way. I'm very amused by your antics, and as said before in this thread, I would like you to run again, and again, and again, because I enjoy watching your flailing at even the easiest thing in a campaign.

Lastly, I just realised what your slogan could be!
"Xenuria, because I do whatever needs doing, unless it's answering questions, talking sense or ingame-related. Vote Xenuria!"
You can have that one for free.Blink

Not empty quoting.
Xenuria
#271 - 2015-02-15 15:26:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#272 - 2015-02-15 16:09:12 UTC
Funny, then, how you almost automatically reject questions regarding your own platform, and even reject suggestions to improve it from well-meaning people (Where I count at least myself in the former group, and Nariya Kentaya in the latter), and choose to lump it all together in this manner (From p. 12):
Quote:
If these same people want to ask questions that don't have anything to do with my IRL profession or any other creepy personal stuff than I will answer them.

Example:

A. Xenuria, being a big poop alien how do you feel about X <--- WRONG

B. Xenuria, how do you feel about X <--- RIGHT


A. Xenuria, you have been involved in alot of poop related incident and im aware that your a lizard alien from planet bazongablarg, how do you feel about changing sov or being csm given your background in being a poo lizard, <--- WRONG

B. Xenuria, how do you feel about sov? <---- RIGHT
It's remarkable how, on one hand, you cry for more transparency and authenticity, while on the other hand reject questions into your own platform and gives an inauthentic view of yourself, your history, your abilities and your platform.
Now, this in itself is a very good reason to question your candidacy, but when you make it so obvious that your one shtick is CSM reform, and then nothing else, I can assure you that pretty much anyone currently running for CSM can do that job, and many of them have actual agendas outside their own ego and misunderstanding of the election process.

When you decide to stop being a joke candidate and answer questions regarding your platform, and when you decide to adopt a platform with relevance to the game rather than an electorate that doesn't like you, people might think better of you. Currently, your slogan of
Quote:
Better the devil you know.
might fit you, but we have a number of CSM candidates whom we know and who aren't devils. You simply fall short compared to the competition, and frankly, you'd currently fall short even compared to no competition at all.
Of course, someone regarding themselves as a devil likely won't attract votes.
Either because it shows how much ego and how little sense you have when you make that comparison, or because it's an accurate comparison and nobody would vote for a devil.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#273 - 2015-02-15 18:34:20 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Some really good articles have been published that really extol the importance of platforms like mine.
http://www.themittani.com/features/csm-public-scrutiny-good-thing
http://www.themittani.com/news/csm-straight-dope
http://www.themittani.com/features/transparency-and-funkybacon


Transparency is essential.

okay, your platform si transparency, what else is it? specifcally what OTHER problems do you seek to fix or bring to CCP's attention, and what suggestions do you propose would make good soltuions?

I ask this because there are SEVERAL CSM platforming "transparency" but none of them use it as their primary platform, most of them are concerned with ingame material, which is important, after all, what good do glass walls have if theres nothing inside to see?
HarlyQ
harlyq syrokos investment station
#274 - 2015-02-15 22:16:16 UTC
Xenuria when are you going to answer questions?

You can not expect people to vote for someone that is silent in his own CSM thread.
Xenuria
#275 - 2015-02-16 23:54:44 UTC
I am adding Hats for Spaceships to my platform as of now.

CSM 12 Candidate
HarlyQ
harlyq syrokos investment station
#276 - 2015-02-17 02:58:26 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
I am adding Hats for Spaceships to my platform as of now.

Worst troll ever.
Xenuria
#277 - 2015-02-17 17:42:30 UTC
HarlyQ wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
I am adding Hats for Spaceships to my platform as of now.

Worst troll ever.


Not a troll and I am also not the only candidate proposing this. Please don't flame my thread.

CSM 12 Candidate
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#278 - 2015-02-17 22:22:34 UTC
HarlyQ wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
I am adding Hats for Spaceships to my platform as of now.
Worst troll ever.
In political science, the regular terms are joke candidate or frivolous candidate (And a number of variants; ironic, sarcastic, comedic, etc.), although I'm still not ruling out the "honest... though still deluded" hypothesis (Which would better explain the charge that Goons are messing with his ballot by putting him on theirs' - I mean, what? - and the made-up statistics about his voter base).
It's not always clear, but I think any honest person would have gotten the message years ago.

Either way, we get to point and laugh.
HarlyQ
harlyq syrokos investment station
#279 - 2015-02-18 00:06:32 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
HarlyQ wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
I am adding Hats for Spaceships to my platform as of now.
Worst troll ever.
In political science, the regular terms are joke candidate or frivolous candidate (And a number of variants; ironic, sarcastic, comedic, etc.), although I'm still not ruling out the "honest... though still deluded" hypothesis (Which would better explain the charge that Goons are messing with his ballot by putting him on theirs' - I mean, what? - and the made-up statistics about his voter base).
It's not always clear, but I think any honest person would have gotten the message years ago.

Either way, we get to point and laugh.

It is enjoyable to point and laugh.
Kiryen O'Bannon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#280 - 2015-02-18 03:02:01 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
HarlyQ wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
I am adding Hats for Spaceships to my platform as of now.

Worst troll ever.


Not a troll and I am also not the only candidate proposing this. Please don't flame my thread.


You know, in addition to not addressing hard questions, you also spend a remarkable amount of time trying to police how people ask you questions. This sort of attempt to control the narrative never comes off well in real elections, and I don't think it's doing you any favors here either.

Eternal Father, King of birth, /Who didst create the heaven and earth, /And bid the planets and the sun/ Their own appointed orbits run; /O hear us when we seek thy grace /For those who soar through outer space.