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Kyoko Sakoda
Achura-Waschi Exchange
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#61 - 2015-02-16 16:50:06 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Reading her, though, i'm pretty sure she couldn't stand herself. She hid in a labyrinth of ideas because she couldn't stand her own reflection.


And for those of us who couldn't do that, she mentored us back to some semblance of sanity.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#62 - 2015-02-16 16:53:57 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Izanami Rei wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:

I hope I'm really someone honest and morally upright, like a clonejacker.


Perhaps you have been afforded the chance to be just that.


To kinda reiterate what they're saying nothings stopping you from being that person. Just don't forget what you are and if you ever really get a grasp of who you were don't forget where ya came from.

You two do get that a clonejacker is someone who steals other people's identities and lives, right?

As in, hijacker of clones.

It's what I probably am if I'm not Aria Jenneth.

... just a different species of criminal.
Jennifer Starfall
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#63 - 2015-02-16 16:54:51 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Jukko Riis wrote:
TRUST NO ONE.

People keep saying this.

Half of them want me to trust them after they say it.

I've been looking around GalNet, reading what I can.

I see scams, piracy, interstellar criminal cartels the size of empires.

Political discord, endless wars, rampant death.

Capsuleers making a killing.

Aria Jenneth was a murderer who killed her own grandfather.

She didn't try to hide it. She was also a pirate who loved to watch habitats explode.

She blamed that on being a capsuleer. She thought being a capsuleer made her worse.

She's also a legendary philosopher, I guess. Or so people tell me.

Reading her, though, i'm pretty sure she couldn't stand herself. She hid in a labyrinth of ideas because she couldn't stand her own reflection.

She didn't want to be wise. She wanted to be safe, from her history, from the world, from consequences.

She was a hypocrite, and a sophist, and she knew it.

I hope I'm really someone honest and morally upright, like a clonejacker.


For all that, she should know that she took this broken, angry child and set her on a path to becoming whole. It was a path filled with violence and anger. But it was also a path that lead to peace and healing.

I hope you are really Aria. I want you to see how you've help make me whole.

Jennifer Starfall

Fifth Seyllin Conference

Rictor Thellere
Doomheim
#64 - 2015-02-16 16:57:32 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

You two do get that a clonejacker is someone who steals other people's identities and lives, right?

As in, hijacker of clones.

It's what I probably am if I'm not Aria Jenneth.

... just a different species of criminal.



I get that, and if that's what happened perhaps Aria did just that, in order to get a fresh start.
Take advantage of it.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#65 - 2015-02-16 17:02:15 UTC
I know, what ya meant, If you are you wouldn't exactly be that great at it since your drawing attention to yourself. The fact you seem clueless to the events leading up to your initial video leads me to believe that's not the case. Bare in mind I didn't know the original Aria, so for all I know you could be one. I'm merely trusting my gut on this one and showing sympathy isn't really going to effect me in the least.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#66 - 2015-02-16 17:04:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
. . . .

[insert generally miserable noise here]
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#67 - 2015-02-16 18:01:27 UTC
All right. Enough self-pity.

It sounds like the last person to try to reach me physically hit a wall after docking at the station.

If I'm getting out of here, it's going to be on my own.

To those of you who see Aria as a mentor or a guide ... I'm sorry. I can't see in her what you do.

If I'm her, then maybe she couldn't, either.

To me it looks like she had a head full of mirrors and bull****. But if it was valuable to you ... maybe the person she really couldn't help was herself.

We can maybe talk about it if I can get out of here. I'm going to start running tests on my rig. I'll still be in touch, but....

If this works, maybe I'll see you in space.

If not ...

... I guess, thanks for not treating me like damaged hardware.

Here goes.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#68 - 2015-02-16 18:09:47 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

Here goes.


Good luck, pilot. And remember

You don't have to be what other people want you to be.

You can be yourself.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#69 - 2015-02-16 19:49:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Valerie Valate wrote:
You can be yourself.


Easier with more context. ... which, I'm getting some of.

Update for the interested: not dead.

Also not mindlocked, which is important.

Presently jacked into the pod. There's no dangerous feedback or interference to speak of. Since I'm apparently in lowsec, I'll be running test simulations rather than hopping out the front door to have a look.

Also, if I'm not actually as qualified to fly that Tengu as I look on paper, I'd like to know ahead of time.

So far, I'm verified category five in, ah, all four empires' frigate control schemes.

This is kind of unsettling.

Aria, didn't you own anything that isn't covered in guns?

... Ah, of course. A blockade runner.

For moving the guns.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#70 - 2015-02-16 20:14:00 UTC
At least you'll be kinda safe when you undock, that's a plus... Congratulations on taking the first steps too.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#71 - 2015-02-16 21:51:13 UTC
... Um. Fifth rank in ...

... Amarr Battleships ...
... Caldari Battleships ...
... Gallente Battleships ...
... Minmatar Battleships....

That's ... ah, that's common, right? Not unusual?

Um. Typical, maybe, for pilots with a certain number of years?

Let's, ah, maybe try something ... else ...

Astrometric pinpointing. Aria only rates a four....
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#72 - 2015-02-16 23:31:32 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:


Um. Typical, maybe, for pilots with a certain number of years?


Probably. There comes a time when you do not really know what to train next. And you stop caring.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#73 - 2015-02-17 00:20:08 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Jukko Riis wrote:
TRUST NO ONE.

People keep saying this.

Half of them want me to trust them after they say it.

I've been looking around GalNet, reading what I can.

I see scams, piracy, interstellar criminal cartels the size of empires.

Political discord, endless wars, rampant death.

Capsuleers making a killing.

Aria Jenneth was a murderer who killed her own grandfather.

She didn't try to hide it. She was also a pirate who loved to watch habitats explode.

She blamed that on being a capsuleer. She thought being a capsuleer made her worse.

She's also a legendary philosopher, I guess. Or so people tell me.

Reading her, though, i'm pretty sure she couldn't stand herself. She hid in a labyrinth of ideas because she couldn't stand her own reflection.

She didn't want to be wise. She wanted to be safe, from her history, from the world, from consequences.

She was a hypocrite, and a sophist, and she knew it.

I hope I'm really someone honest and morally upright, like a clonejacker.


If you actually believe all of what you just said here, and this whole memory-less clone thing hasn't been some big hoax, then it sounds to me like you may actually be a better person than who Ms. Jenneth was.

Try to hold on to that. Few capsuleers do. Most believe the same kind of ramblings your template used to write about how special capsuleers are.

Capsuleers are awful people. The more human you try to be, the better off you'll be.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#74 - 2015-02-17 00:30:59 UTC
Those looking for a reason can often find it in those around them. Don't be a stranger.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#75 - 2015-02-17 01:31:10 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Probably. There comes a time when you do not really know what to train next. And you stop caring.


Oh. Um. Good.

... I score a four on astrometric pinpointing.

Well....

Samira Kernher wrote:
If you actually believe all of what you just said here, and this whole memory-less clone thing hasn't been some big hoax, then it sounds to me like you may actually be a better person than who Ms. Jenneth was.

Try to hold on to that. Few capsuleers do. Most believe the same kind of ramblings your template used to write about how special capsuleers are.

Capsuleers are awful people. The more human you try to be, the better off you'll be.


That seems sensible.

Wasn't that her advice, too, though? Especially the early stuff.

Be human if you can. If you can't, here's an alternative. That sort of thing?

... I'm not sure which of us that was for. Sorry. A bit distracted. Testing these stupid metrics, getting matches time after time, I feel like I could be a hoax, or a prank. Like the rest of Aria Jenneth is going to pop out of a cake any second, and I'll just be ...

... the joke will be on me. Only I'll be gone.

Maybe she'll have the grace to feel bad about that for a moment.

Something more esoteric ... um....

Kalaratiri wrote:
Those looking for a reason can often find it in those around them. Don't be a stranger.


Are you talking about trying to stay human?

Or....

Infomorph Psychology. There's no way I rate a five.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#76 - 2015-02-17 03:24:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Five?

I don't ... how does that even....

How can a person who can't remember her own name be psychologically prepared to shuffle six bodies around?!

I don't ... I can't....

....
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#77 - 2015-02-17 03:39:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Aria Jenneth wrote:
That seems sensible.

Wasn't that her advice, too, though? Especially the early stuff.

Be human if you can. If you can't, here's an alternative. That sort of thing?


There is no alternative. Her writings were about how different and alien capsuleers are. Her writings just fed into the delusional feelings of godhood that makes capsuleers believe they're beyond mortal concerns. Her very first writing, said in no uncertain words: "You're not human." That sentence, that one sentence, is what creates monsters.

We are humans. Just humans in a VR where we're controlling real spaceships instead of virtual ones, and where we pretend that our mortal replacements are immortal continuations. Do you feel immortal? You, more than any of us, should be able to appreciate the fact that you are a replacement, because you are absent of the memories that create the illusion of continuation. You aren't Aria Jenneth, or any of her copies, you're a new person made in her image and with her name, just as the clone after you won't be you.

As long as people keep trying to live with these delusions that we're something other than human, we'll keep spawning people who believe they can ignore human concerns.

What made your templates' writings terrible, was that they were defeatist. "You're a killer." Why? Capsuleers are not killers by nature, they're killers by choice, and by lack of the restrictions normally imposed on society that would discourage that choice. "You do not have empathy," "You do not even notice." If a capsuleer has no empathy, and does not notice, it's because they choose to have no empathy, and choose not to notice.

Becoming a monster is a choice. Your templates encouraged people to make that choice by instilling these defeatist and self-aggrandizing philosophies. Your templates said not to embrace illusions, and yet everything they wrote was the crafting of one. You yourself pointed this out.

What your templates did, was say that we are monsters who should try to be human. That is a lie. What capsuleers are are humans who all too frequently try to be monsters, and have been allowed to be by intentional removal of the chains that normally keep humans from fulfilling our darker impulses.

You're a human being. Don't ever think you're anything else. Impose whatever restrictions on yourself you need to make sure you don't choose to be anything else.


That Infomorph Psychology thing, by the way? The real name of that skill is Voluntary Suicide. There's an area where you should impose a restriction. Your templates weren't immortal, you aren't either.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#78 - 2015-02-17 04:18:21 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
That Infomorph Psychology thing, by the way? The real name of that skill is Voluntary Suicide.


That ... doesn't seem right.

One body sleeps. The ... infomorph ... passes.

The channeling's gentle. No data loss. No neuron-scorching flash scan.

The next body wakes. It ... goes about its day. It has breakfast, attends a meeting, laughs with friends over drinks.

The next day, it ... sleeps in turn. The first awakes, with all those memories.

Where is death?

....

Huh. Maybe I do rate a five.

I'm sorry, Samira. I'll ... come back to the rest later.

I have to work this out.
Vikarion
Doomheim
#79 - 2015-02-17 05:20:35 UTC
Kyoko Sakoda wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Reading her, though, i'm pretty sure she couldn't stand herself. She hid in a labyrinth of ideas because she couldn't stand her own reflection.


And for those of us who couldn't do that, she mentored us back to some semblance of sanity.


Speak for yourself.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#80 - 2015-02-17 08:28:43 UTC
Run, you clever girl, and remember.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.