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Idea for sniper cruiser
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Scorpionstrike
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-02-14 14:27:32 UTC
Would like a new cov ops cruiser for all races restricted to long range weapons only, and a web range bonus, at the the tech one level and cost. for scouting and then being able to do long range damage when combat starts. could also be fun as a ratting ship.
Oscae
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-02-14 14:41:42 UTC
Things like covops and web range bonuses are typically reserved for T2 ships, with a few pirate exceptions, and are tied to their respective pricing.

A T1 covops web bonus ship would be against the current ship design, and would have ridiculous profit margins on it if it had T1 production costs as no one would sell such a ship for it's mineral cost alone.

In regards to what you're looking for, it might just be a Rapier, covops+web range+missiles, yes it's more expensive but that's kind of the point.
Scorpionstrike
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-02-14 15:22:03 UTC
Oscae wrote:
Things like covops and web range bonuses are typically reserved for T2 ships, with a few pirate exceptions, and are tied to their respective pricing.

A T1 covops web bonus ship would be against the current ship design, and would have ridiculous profit margins on it if it had T1 production costs as no one would sell such a ship for it's mineral cost alone.

In regards to what you're looking for, it might just be a Rapier, covops+web range+missiles, yes it's more expensive but that's kind of the point.


Well thats the problem the tech 2 like the Rapier has the playstyle i want but people want to pvp in low cost ships. had a check through isis and nothing really suits thought there could be some room for it perhaps in the near future (shrug)
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2015-02-14 16:29:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Look at your t3, Now back at your t2....still think t2 is expensive?

I'm not particularly averse to the concept (it's a bit vague but not bad) I don't see this as a t1 thing.

Imo t2 cost sounds good.

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Murkar Omaristos
The Alabaster Albatross
Unreasonable Bastards
#5 - 2015-02-14 16:59:56 UTC
After the introduction of a bunch of new kitey ships, I really can't say I'd support this - sry. Kiting Orthrus' are OP already.
Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#6 - 2015-02-14 17:31:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakan MacTrew
Scorpionstrike wrote:
Would like a new cov ops cruiser for all races restricted to long range weapons only, and a web range bonus, at the the tech one level and cost. for scouting and then being able to do long range damage when combat starts. could also be fun as a ratting ship.


So, a cloaky sniping cruiser with web bonuses, but at a T1 cruiser price.

...

Right, sorry, I fell of my chair because I was laughing too hard.

Cloaky Sniping Web bonused cruiser already exits, it's called a Loki. There is also the Rapier.

What you are describing is not a scouting ship, its a gank ship. Big difference.

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Kabark
Schilden
#7 - 2015-02-14 17:58:45 UTC
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
Scorpionstrike wrote:
Would like a new cov ops cruiser for all races restricted to long range weapons only, and a web range bonus, at the the tech one level and cost. for scouting and then being able to do long range damage when combat starts. could also be fun as a ratting ship.


So, a cloaky sniping cruiser with web bonuses, but at a T1 cruiser price.

...

Right, sorry, I fell of my chair because I was laughing too hard.

Cloaky Sniping Web bonused cruiser already exits, it's called a Loki. There is also the Rapier.

What you are describing is not a scouting ship, its a gank ship. Big difference.

Agreed. You can slap a cloak on a glass cannon like a naga, and be set for 250km engagements.
Arden Elenduil
Unlimited Bear Works
#8 - 2015-02-14 19:55:58 UTC
Additionally, while it isn't a cruiser, fitting up a sebo arty panther can be hilariously effective in nullsec.
Scorpionstrike
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-02-14 20:13:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Scorpionstrike
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
Scorpionstrike wrote:
Would like a new cov ops cruiser for all races restricted to long range weapons only, and a web range bonus, at the the tech one level and cost. for scouting and then being able to do long range damage when combat starts. could also be fun as a ratting ship.


So, a cloaky sniping cruiser with web bonuses, but at a T1 cruiser price.

...

Right, sorry, I fell of my chair because I was laughing too hard.

Cloaky Sniping Web bonused cruiser already exits, it's called a Loki. There is also the Rapier.

What you are describing is not a scouting ship, its a gank ship. Big difference.




Im describing something you would actually want to undock and pvp with, your target would have a chance because of cloak targeting delay, any ship can gank, if your target knows your there how can you scout and then add value to dps with your gang / fleet.
Arden Elenduil
Unlimited Bear Works
#10 - 2015-02-14 20:18:38 UTC
Plenty of people undock and pvp with ships worth hundreds kf millions or even billions.
Quit being so risk averse and just get out there. Being successful in pvp can't be bought with isk. You need to go out there and do it. And besides, plenty of ships can already do what you want this to do, and they're not even that expensive.
Scorpionstrike
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-02-14 20:23:17 UTC
Arden Elenduil wrote:
Plenty of people undock and pvp with ships worth hundreds kf millions or even billions.
Quit being so risk averse and just get out there. Being successful in pvp can't be bought with isk. You need to go out there and do it. And besides, plenty of ships can already do what you want this to do, and they're not even that expensive.


A bit rich, when the majority of people judge by kills and losses, everyone knows that.
Arden Elenduil
Unlimited Bear Works
#12 - 2015-02-14 20:27:46 UTC
And you're a fool for buying into that killboard crap. I'd be more afraid in combat from someone who goes out and loses ships in combat in good fights, compared to someone who sticks to relative safety in nullsec fleets for instance.

The guys with the cleanest killboards in terms of losses are carebears.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-02-14 21:51:11 UTC
Another bright idea. Let me gues it should be Jovian technology and Drifter's crap as well.

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Lienzo
Amanuensis
#14 - 2015-02-14 23:00:39 UTC
I'd like to see something simpler:

Webifiers with shortened optimals and long falloffs, and webifier boosting lowslot or rig modules.


I don't like mechanics that lock us into narrow engagement brackets.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#15 - 2015-02-14 23:14:23 UTC
Arden Elenduil wrote:
Additionally, while it isn't a cruiser, fitting up a sebo arty panther can be hilariously effective in nullsec.


Null sec? we use this everywhere from HS to WH toss in a few falcons and that's when the tears come in

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Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#16 - 2015-02-16 13:30:05 UTC
Scorpionstrike wrote:
Im describing something you would actually want to undock and pvp with, your target would have a chance because of cloak targeting delay, any ship can gank, if your target knows your there how can you scout and then add value to dps with your gang / fleet.

What you are describing is a ship that lets you have your cake, your mates cake and you get to eat all the cake.

A scout is not there to add 'meaningful' dps to a fleet/gang, it's a scout. They provide warp-in points, intel and often act as fast tackle. If you want DPS, you for for a line ship.

The more you want a ship to do and the better you want them to do it, that costs, (not just isk, but other balance elements too.)

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MarkyJ
#17 - 2015-02-16 13:44:43 UTC
Scorpionstrike wrote:
Would like a new cov ops cruiser for all races restricted to long range weapons only, and a web range bonus, at the the tech one level and cost. for scouting and then being able to do long range damage when combat starts. could also be fun as a ratting ship.


As has been said before, Loki is your answer. Rapier if you are on a budget. Granted it's for minmatar only but then again that is their race-specific E-war. Same way only Amarr get bonused neuts/tracking disrupters.

Before you point out the price tag again, let me ask how you plan to balance this ship without making it cost the earth?

It not only has two VERY powerful bonuses (cov-ops AND web) but is also combat capable and reasonably fast (couldn't be a scout or long-range skirmisher if it was slower than the main fleet). Either you need to put some major penalties on it (no, long-range weapons aren't a penalty. Quite a few setups like the various Tengus use long range weapons to great effect) or it needs a large price tag considering what you are describing is essentially a T3.
Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2015-02-16 14:12:48 UTC
Yeah thats what the sandbox is about restrictions. Not the ability to do what you want.

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Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#19 - 2015-02-16 16:33:20 UTC
MarkyJ wrote:
As has been said before, Loki is your answer. Rapier if you are on a budget. Granted it's for minmatar only but then again that is their race-specific E-war. Same way only Amarr get bonused neuts/tracking disrupters.

I believe we both forgot Blood Raiders:

Ashimuu gets 20% per level bonus to Web range

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Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2015-02-16 18:37:15 UTC
Bad idea is bad. Shame on you OP.