EVE General Discussion

This is really good advice. FC'ing really just requires you to take out some fleets and learn from your successes and most importantly your failures. Some of the best FC's I've flown under have been some of the most average to below average individual players, but their understanding of what needs to be done, ability to formulate a winning strategy, how to communicate effectively, and keeping the fleet a cohesive unit; trumps any individual pilot skill anyone can bring to the table IMO. True some people may never cultivate these qualities and those that lack them tend to be horrible FC's, but a lot of these qualities are things that you can learn and strengthen as you go.

You don't have to be the Sun Tzu of Eve, most corps will be happy to follow anyone willing to take the responsibility of FC'ing into battle for the potential of action alone and will keep showing up for more as long as they're not an ass.

Fake it til ya make it.

There are many reasons why people stay in NPC corps. I doubt you will find them all here. As for finding ways to coax people out of NPC corps, good luck. The easiest way is to create a welcoming environment without judgment. RvB, Brave Newbies, even the New Order promote these environments. Why CCP doesn't do more to support and promote is a mystery.

To all the folks who want to remove NPC corps or force people out via powerful incentives -

What will be the effect on the game when highsec becomes effectively the same as FW space due to certain entities wardeccing en masse? Trade hubs will become no mans lands unless you are affiliated with the dominant group of station huggers.

Forcing people with no interest in combat (or people like me that aren't part of an organization that can fight roving gangs of interceptors and HACs/strat cruisers/gilas etc.) to play target for content hungry veterans in all areas of the game is how you kill EVE.

"High-sec" would become meaningless as just like the other areas of the game it will be divided amongst blocs with the numbers and SP to control space.

Obviously CCP is never going to mess with NPC corps in this fashion because it would be monumentally stupid for player retention but that it's even suggested on a regular basis is troubling.

Main reason people stay in NPC corps is because people are idiots. Stay in NPC corps and you minimize time spent with idiots.

One question....

How many NPC-Alts are just neutral-Alts of Null sec players?

*Alts of any player who quite logically don't see a need to expose any of their non-combat alts to nonconsensual pvp in highsec.

Literally the whole reason wardecs are stupid they only impact people too dumb to use NPC alts to manage their hisec affairs. Mainly newbies who aren't yet familiar with ALTS Online.

This, 111%. I've seen some of the other starter corps (sort of relevant, I guess?) when rolling alts for various purposes, and If my first character had ended up in one of them, I probably would've moved on within a week. As it is, I've got to know a few people who play regularly and who I enjoy talking to, as well as the very occasional fleet op. I've been on the clan/guild carousel in other games before, and it's not a pleasant experience, so I'm only going to up sticks if I'm aware of what I'm getting into... and short of flying with a corp for a few weeks, there isn't a sure-fire way to know that.

If there's one gripe that I have, it's that getting a group en masse to go and do something, anything, is extremely difficult. In comparison to something like CAS do with their monthly roams, for example, there just isn't enough people who are interested. So in that regard, it can be quite stagnant, but seeing as there are public NPSI fleets run every now and again, I think I can live with that.

Limited the 'npc play' options in a game that is supposed to be player driven isn't 'forcing someone to play your way'. The whole "you want me to play your way" thing has never been more than a psychological defense mechanism for people who have found and advantageous situation and want to keep exploiting it.

No on is mad about 'solo players or 'npc corps' per se. What gets annoying is when those types expect this player driven mmo to cater to them. As a PVE player I know I'm playing a game deeply seated in the idea od 'PVP' (both in terms of combat, and in terms of it's general 'conflict culture'). I don't go around screaming "make the game more PVE, or at least shield me from PVP". But many solo/npc corp/high sec players lobby endlessly for advantages and protections without having to sacrifice the safety and comfort of what they are already doing.




Because most people (especially most gamers) suck. Exclusivity is good both in game and in real life. The best restaurants and night clubs are the ones that are hard to get into, every thing else is this place. Nothing wrong with that place if you like that btw.

Bully:

noun
noun: bully; plural noun: bullies

1. a person who uses strength or power to harm or intimidate those who are weaker.

verb
verb: bully; 3rd person present: bullies; past tense: bullied; past participle: bullied; gerund or present participle: bullying

1. use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants.


The feelings evoked by the action may vary from person to person, mainly who is or is not on the receiving end, but this person's word choice is not incorrect.

What did grief deccer's "think" they were doing?


That said it's a perfectly legitimate form of gameplay in the EVE environment if only because the rules and mechanics of EVE allow for it. Also few things in EVE non-consentual things in EVE could not be considered "bullying" technically. But we all do it.