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The Office of the Chairman: A ~chill place~ for constituent issues

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Lord Orefinger
Real Life Super Heros Inc.
#441 - 2011-12-21 04:13:22 UTC
The "type the persons name to not get your ship stolen" idea is ********; it would just be abused by people typing on non standard, non English keyboards. Cant type a o that looks like and but really is some messed up character you cant see because the person want you to type the name of standard named alt instead so he can steal your ship no matter how aware or able to type you are? Too bad you just lost your billion isk ship thanks to the power of a non-latin charset.

No thanks.

Temba Ronin
#442 - 2011-12-21 04:28:35 UTC
Lord Orefinger wrote:
The "type the persons name to not get your ship stolen" idea is ********; it would just be abused by people typing on non standard, non English keyboards. Cant type a o that looks like and but really is some messed up character you cant see because the person want you to type the name of standard named alt instead so he can steal your ship no matter how aware or able to type you are? Too bad you just lost your billion isk ship thanks to the power of a non-latin charset.

No thanks.


Legit concern easily fixed ....

"Alert someone is trying to hijack your ship click on the icons that flash on your UI screen in the same sequence that they flash, alert someone is trying to hijack your ship!"

a random sequence of flashing icons would be universally understood and bots would have a hell of a time coming up with a work around.

The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players!

Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#443 - 2011-12-21 12:28:30 UTC
Temba Ronin wrote:

Could you please tell me how many Alliances you have run, how many nullsec systems YOU claimed sov for with your Alliances before you gave it all up to become a swarm member? Because i'm not convinced i am the one who is suffering from naivety in this particular conversation.


Hi I'm Yeep. I was a founding member of Goonfleet and a director for 3 years (and a CEO for a couple of weeks). I was heavily involved in organising and executing both fights and logistics for Syndicate, Outer Ring and Cloud Ring and to a lesser extent the Scalding Pass, Wicked Creek and Detorid campaigns.

You're still an idiot.
Tasiv Deka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#444 - 2011-12-21 13:19:22 UTC
Imigo Montoya wrote:
Temba Ronin wrote:

You fit your definition very fine sir, the quote i put in my bio in my opinion fairly defuses the misplaced anger one might experience after an encounter with gutless ganking thugs. This is just a game. While you enjoy the applause of fellow swarm members and swarm wannabes ask yourself why you feel compelled to answer posts directed at other people? Is it because you think them not smart enough to answer for themselves or because you are so brilliant you can read thier mind and determine what they meant? Or could it be you are not feeling the love from your corp mates perhaps? No one else to chat with? I mean you are after all in a big Alliance with sov and being a master of so many elements of the game i would think you'd have little time for these forums tbh.


I respectfully request that you point out one example where I have done any of those things (fallacious statement, misrepresenting what somebody has said, contradict myself, assert your lack of valid points, or more insults than points). Hopefully you won't take my respectful request as a demand, like you did the last one, and in doing so provide another example of misrepresenting what I have said. I truly, genuinely, would like to see how you came to that conclusion (as I did with my last request of the same nature). Having been a Lecturer in Higher Education I feel compelled to address misconceptions and fallacies.

I also see no reason whatsoever to address a post directed at somebody else, especially when that post is another example of misrepresenting what somebody has said (as trolls do). That example being the assertion that when Tasiv said "troll", he/she meant "saying things that you don't agree with". Sure, you put a question mark at the end, but you phrased it as an assertion.

My interpretation of what he/she said was quite different. I do not consider Tasiv incapable of making his/her own response, nor do I believe myself to be so brilliant as to be able to read their mind to determine what he/she meant. I don't know about you, but I tend to use the words that people say/write to determine what they mean, however flawed that may be.

So I will make another respectful request, this time of Tasiv Deka - what are your thoughts on these two varied interpretations of your use of the word "troll"?



When i call someone a troll its more in line with your view point, i.e. deliberately saying something wrong just to get a rise out of a person and then sitting there and belittling someone when they call you on it. In all honesty i have no problem when someone has a different viewpoint so long as they are respectful of the fact that others may not share their opinions and they shouldn't be forced down peoples throat however at the same point if something is true you should display evidence of why its true. Sorry if my post may not be coherent im currently under the effects of a new allergy medication and its making things come out kinda off.

Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts... 

The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.

Temba Ronin
#445 - 2011-12-21 15:38:50 UTC
Yeep wrote:
Temba Ronin wrote:

Could you please tell me how many Alliances you have run, how many nullsec systems YOU claimed sov for with your Alliances before you gave it all up to become a swarm member? Because i'm not convinced i am the one who is suffering from naivety in this particular conversation.


Hi I'm Yeep. I was a founding member of Goonfleet and a director for 3 years (and a CEO for a couple of weeks). I was heavily involved in organising and executing both fights and logistics for Syndicate, Outer Ring and Cloud Ring and to a lesser extent the Scalding Pass, Wicked Creek and Detorid campaigns.

You're still an idiot.

Hello Yeep!
I am an idiot because i think people should have an original idea or some knowledge of what they tell other players are facts in this game. You might find it good reading to look at the forum thread i started about the bot problem and because i credited the goons for taking action against bots and i clearly state that i feel no sorrow for an afk player that gets ganked i am called a goon alt haha!

The forums are full of name calling small thinking people who want a fast easy box to place someone in for not agreeing with them. Subsequently i am called both a goon alt and a goon hating alt, lol i think it's delightful tbh.

I admit calling people names is indeed fun verbal PVP. But being a player with less than a year's experience, and being the idiot that i am, i still prefer that when a multiyear vet puts the smackdown on my positions, ideas, or poorly conceived notions, it comes from their superior knowledge an actual experience and not from parroting what they have heard from others.

i understand that i don't have to agree with you to learn from you. i also understand that to learn something of real value the person telling you the facts should actually know wtf they are talking about. That being said if you ever have the time to regale this idiot with stories of your actual experiences as a ceo or organizing fights & logistics you'll find me to also be a quick learner.

The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players!

Velicitia
XS Tech
#446 - 2011-12-21 16:53:18 UTC
Temba Ronin wrote:
(stuff)


This is gonna get good.

Lemme grab some popcorn. Cool

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Imigo Montoya
BreadFleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#447 - 2011-12-21 18:04:39 UTC
Temba Ronin wrote:
The forums are full of name calling small thinking people who want a fast easy box to place someone in for not agreeing with them.


So stop being part of the problem.

In my first response to you, I gave you the benefit of the doubt (about whether or not you were a troll) and addressed the flaws with your suggestion - far more than anybody else seemed to be doing at the time.

Your response was pretty vile actually, especially when I was the only one actually giving you the time of day. Sure, I supposed that you were either naive or a troll, but what I didn't call you (even though sorely tempted) was an idiot.

Also, you clearly have no idea who I am, much as I have no idea about your background, so I'll let you know that I am an award winning game designer (Best game in student showcase, NZGDC and TUANZ eVision Entertainment award) who has taught 3rd year Computer Game Design at the University of Otago. So when I talk about game mechanics I have some authority to do so and am not just parroting what I have heard from others.

Now, armed with this background knowledge, go back and read both of those posts and come back and tell me what your response would be to your post. Wouldn't you think this strongly added to the case that you were trolling (by my and Tasiv's definition)? While you're at it, try re-reading all of my posts, and in fact all of yours. If you would like to continue this discourse, stop trolling (whether deliberate or not).
Dread Red
#448 - 2011-12-21 18:27:28 UTC
Imigo Montoya wrote:
Temba Ronin wrote:
The forums are full of name calling small thinking people who want a fast easy box to place someone in for not agreeing with them.


So stop being part of the problem.

In my first response to you, I gave you the benefit of the doubt (about whether or not you were a troll) and addressed the flaws with your suggestion - far more than anybody else seemed to be doing at the time.

Your response was pretty vile actually, especially when I was the only one actually giving you the time of day. Sure, I supposed that you were either naive or a troll, but what I didn't call you (even though sorely tempted) was an idiot.

Also, you clearly have no idea who I am, much as I have no idea about your background, so I'll let you know that I am an award winning game designer (Best game in student showcase, NZGDC and TUANZ eVision Entertainment award) who has taught 3rd year Computer Game Design at the University of Otago. So when I talk about game mechanics I have some authority to do so and am not just parroting what I have heard from others.

Now, armed with this background knowledge, go back and read both of those posts and come back and tell me what your response would be to your post. Wouldn't you think this strongly added to the case that you were trolling (by my and Tasiv's definition)? While you're at it, try re-reading all of my posts, and in fact all of yours. If you would like to continue this discourse, stop trolling (whether deliberate or not).

I read your posts and it seems like you are an unemployed former higher education lecturer looking to get respect for winning student game design contests. lol good luck with that!

Brings to mind the old saying, "those who can, do, those who can't, teach."

So what respect do you feel you've earned by being neither a current educational lecturer nor a gainfully employed game designer? But i'm sure asking this question makes me a troll.
Imigo Montoya
BreadFleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#449 - 2011-12-21 18:38:42 UTC
Dread Red wrote:
I read your posts and it seems like you are an unemployed former higher education lecturer looking to get respect for winning student game design contests. lol good luck with that!

Brings to mind the old saying, "those who can, do, those who can't, teach."

So what respect do you feel you've earned by being neither a current educational lecturer nor a gainfully employed game designer? But i'm sure asking this question makes me a troll.


Nope, being a 27 day old character with no forum posts but this one, making (incorrect) assumptions about things you know nothing about, and generally being inflammatory are the things that make you a troll.

2/10 too obvious
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#450 - 2011-12-21 18:51:49 UTC
I'm kind of leading an invaison of Branch right now and setting things on fire, apologies for the delays in posting itt.

~hi~

Imigo Montoya
BreadFleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#451 - 2011-12-21 18:53:09 UTC
Imigo Montoya wrote:
In my first response to you


Actually, that's not quite correct, this was actually my first response to you, which also gave an explanation of why I disagreed with your idea.
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#452 - 2011-12-21 19:02:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Kolonko
The Mittani wrote:
I'm kind of leading an invaison of Branch right now and setting things on fire, apologies for the delays in posting itt.


Figures :)

Maybe when You guys will reinforce another POS/Outpost You can come and write some stuff :D


so maybe another question, Do You plan to take Branch, or just raze it?
Velicitia
XS Tech
#453 - 2011-12-21 19:21:15 UTC
Imigo Montoya wrote:
Dread Red wrote:
I read your posts and it seems like you are an unemployed former higher education lecturer looking to get respect for winning student game design contests. lol good luck with that!

Brings to mind the old saying, "those who can, do, those who can't, teach."

So what respect do you feel you've earned by being neither a current educational lecturer nor a gainfully employed game designer? But i'm sure asking this question makes me a troll.


Nope, being a 27 day old character with no forum posts but this one, making (incorrect) assumptions about things you know nothing about, and generally being inflammatory are the things that make you a troll.

2/10 too obvious



sounds kinda like someone questioning who Chribba or Halada are...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#454 - 2011-12-21 19:31:34 UTC
ban forum alts from assembly hall
Temba Ronin
#455 - 2011-12-21 19:44:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Temba Ronin
Imigo Montoya wrote:
Temba Ronin wrote:
The forums are full of name calling small thinking people who want a fast easy box to place someone in for not agreeing with them.


So stop being part of the problem.

In my first response to you, I gave you the benefit of the doubt (about whether or not you were a troll) and addressed the flaws with your suggestion - far more than anybody else seemed to be doing at the time.

Your response was pretty vile actually, especially when I was the only one actually giving you the time of day. Sure, I supposed that you were either naive or a troll, but what I didn't call you (even though sorely tempted) was an idiot.

Also, you clearly have no idea who I am, much as I have no idea about your background, so I'll let you know that I am an award winning game designer (Best game in student showcase, NZGDC and TUANZ eVision Entertainment award) who has taught 3rd year Computer Game Design at the University of Otago. So when I talk about game mechanics I have some authority to do so and am not just parroting what I have heard from others.

Now, armed with this background knowledge, go back and read both of those posts and come back and tell me what your response would be to your post. Wouldn't you think this strongly added to the case that you were trolling (by my and Tasiv's definition)? While you're at it, try re-reading all of my posts, and in fact all of yours. If you would like to continue this discourse, stop trolling (whether deliberate or not).

Yes you are correct i have no idea who you are nor do i really care beyond the fact that you are a fellow EVE sub. I post here to get the Chairman's reactions, thumbs up or thumbs down on the things i propose to him. The fact that you felt compelled to respond to what i asked of him and/ or commented to others and then got all butt hurt when you tripped all over your own numerous contradictions and then retreated to the realm of "I'm an important person in real life" defense has all the merit of your student awards.

One of the fun things about EVE is the mechanics which dictate they don't take into account how important you might feel you are in real life. I don't think you were part of the EVE game design team, from what i have read, correct me if i am wrong. You didn't know and still haven't given a specific verifiable number to define what "heaps" is equal to so you were at best spreading rumors, parroting what you had heard from others, or purposely propagandizing. All of which are allowed in EVE, however the self righteous indignation of the self proclaimed important person when they are caught doing some or all of the previously stated is very entertaining.

Glad the chairman might use some of his personal time to respond to the things i an others have posted while he has been busy playing the game and living his real life.

The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players!

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#456 - 2011-12-21 20:02:56 UTC
I'm nobody.

/c

★★★ Secure 3rd party service ★★★

Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Twitter @ChribbaVeldspar

Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#457 - 2011-12-21 20:31:57 UTC
Chribba wrote:
I'm nobody.

/c


Sometimes I think Chribba spends all day hitting refresh on search for "Chribba" in all posts, and responds whenever someone mentions him :)
Velicitia
XS Tech
#458 - 2011-12-21 20:43:56 UTC
Max Kolonko wrote:
Chribba wrote:
I'm nobody.

/c


Sometimes I think Chribba spends all day hitting refresh on search for "Chribba" in all posts, and responds whenever someone mentions him :)


nah, he's too busy mining Veldspar to do that. He has people who do the menial tasks.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#459 - 2011-12-21 20:47:29 UTC
ahem Linkage + I get email notifications Lol

★★★ Secure 3rd party service ★★★

Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Twitter @ChribbaVeldspar

Imigo Montoya
BreadFleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#460 - 2011-12-21 20:49:19 UTC
Temba Ronin wrote:
Stuff.


Again you misrepresent what I have said. Again you ignore things I have said and say I haven't said them. Again you suggest I have contradicted myself numerous times without offering a single example.

I never said I was an "important person", I simply shared my qualification to discuss matters of game design seeing as, after all, it was you who requested some qualification to discuss game mechanics. So apparently, according to you one needs to have actually run a nullsec alliance to understand the mechanics of nullsec sov (eg Yeep), and now you seem to be suggesting that one needs to be a member of the EVE game design team to be qualified to discuss any matter of game design in EVE, yet you feel compelled to discuss these very matters. Are you not seeing your own contradiction there? Really?

I gave a specific number of approximately how many subs, and I gave (albeit in a roundabout way) a means of independent verification (Dotlan). If you can't or won't see that, there's not much I can do about that. I'm yet to see any reason to doubt these figures as they are consistent with all the evidence that I have seen (far more than is itt).

You have continually suggested that I have contradicted myself, yet when I very politely requested an example so that I can address any misunderstanding you persistently fail to provide one. I won't ask again because you clearly aren't even going to try.