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T2 Logistics Frigate Idea (eg; navitas)

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Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#21 - 2015-02-16 09:36:53 UTC
I have wished for T2 frig logi as well

My thought on an Amarr hull would that it would gain rep bonuses via vampirism of another ships cap.
Caldari could look at stealing shields

Not sure for Gallente/Minnie

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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#22 - 2015-02-16 12:54:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Xe'Cara'eos
I like the idea of T2 logi frigs being E-defense ships, particularly SeBo and ECCM, so perhaps get a (small - say 5%/level) bonus to strength, but a decent bonus to cap usage, so that these modules take (for a frig, anyway) only a tiny fraction of the total ship's cap...
perhaps only have the bonus affect the use of SeBo and ECCM on frigate/destroyer class ships (possibly including, possibly excluding non-remote SeBo and ECCM)

as for what's the point of these - to support frigate roams with T2 logi, preventing e-war use being overpowering against them (much harder for a falcon/rook to jam 6 frigs at once than 6 cruisers at once, for instance, if one of these is in the gang)

regarding balance, and to stop them being a match rep-wise for T1 logi cruisers...... give them a *slighly* longer range bonus, say....... 700% - so reps go out to 40km-ish (a T1 logi frig puts them out to 28.8km, a T1 logi cruiser puts them out to 66km)
and perhaps give them 6 high slots, and a corresponding role bonus to RR cap use, this should push their rep amount up to 284 hp/s (armour) or 268 hp/s (shield), as opposed to 213/356 hp/s (from exequror/augoror) or 201/481 (from scythe/osprey)

hmmm, perhaps only 4 highslots (a 5th on the bantam/inquisitor variant, if they get a bonus to cap transfer too)

(those numbers should be correct for the 'without skills' character using T2 modules on EFT as of current build [2015/02/16])

sooo, something like:

Inquisitor T2 variant:
slots: 5H/2M/5L (not too many? maybe remove a low slot....)
hardpoints: 2T/0L
rigs slots: 2

ship bonuses:
amarr frigate:
10% to RAR rep amount/level
10% reduction in RAR cap use/level

Logistics frigate:
15% reduction in cap Xfer activation cost/level
10% bonus to cap Xfer transfer amount/level (these two might be slightly skewed, I'm really not too sure about them anyway)

role bonuses:
700% bonus to remote armour repair and cap Xfer range
30% reduction in RAR cap use

Bantam T2 variant
slots: 5H/5M/2L (if too many slots, remove a mid)
hardpoints: 0T/2L
rigs slots: 2

ship bonuses:
as above, just swap RAR, for RSR/shield Xfer, and amarr for caldari

Navitas T2 variant
Slots: 4H/4M/4L
hardpoints: 2T/0L
rig slots: 2

ship bonuses
gallente frigate:
10% to RAR rep amount/level
10% reduction in RAR cap use/level

Logistics frigate:
5% bonus to level to rECCM and rSeBo strength
10% increase to optimal range to rECCM and rSeBo/level

role bonuses:
700% bonus to remote armour repair
30% reduction in RAR cap use
75% reduction to rECCM and rSeBo cap use

Burst T2 variant
slots: 4H/5M/3L
hardpoints: 2T/0L
rig slots: 2

ship bonuses:
as above, just swap RAR, for RSR/shield Xfer, and gallente for minmatar

....

something like that, anyway

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Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#23 - 2015-02-16 13:21:58 UTC
I am all for T2 logi frigs. Frig gangs are a lot of fun, both to fight in and against. That said, is it the case that T1 lgoi frigs do not provide sufficient reps to keep their comrades flying?

I can certainly see the benefits of a Cloaky T2 Logi Frigate, particularly with the current Bomber meta. But I think bombs would need to be rebalanced before Bombers recieve a dedicated support ship for fleets. And yes, this would be a big buff to Hot Dropping, which is really not needed at present.

There are already Bomber doctrines that forego the cloak and go for tank, (IE: Goku Doctrine,) and they take T1 logi with them, and they do pretty well.

In short, I just don't see a need for the Covert option.

T2 Logi Frigates would not really need much more repping power, (if at all,) but if they obtained a better resist profile, (like the bomber resist profiles,) and maybe a touch more speed, reduced cap needs and a unique ability - perhaps to remotely reduce the sig radius of a ship they are supporting, maybe even halving the cycle time of reps while also halving the cap use and rep amount.

I woulod love to see that.
Juan Mileghere
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#24 - 2015-02-16 13:34:29 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Tell me please what are your going to RR with such a small ship?

AFs, I'd presume something like Harpy fleets
Leyete Wulf
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2015-02-16 14:02:54 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Tell me please what are your going to RR with such a small ship?


Actually, living in w-space I frequently find frigate holes leading into active null sec areas and go on roams with bombers and other small cloakies, between size limitations and cost management having a viable alternative for RR would be very nice (T3s are poorly suited for this). I'm not talking about active combat RR so much as post-combat recovery which can be difficult for a small cloaky gang as typically no one has a drone bay and time spent uncloaked is time spent vulnerable to detection. I know this is a fringe case but I know I'm not the only one running bomber gangs that could use some logistic support between fights.
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