EVE Fiction

I and another player have a bit of a friendly dispute going about the origins of the Caldari, and while discussing the ins and outs of it does idle away the empty hours we are all prone to in this game, I thought maybe it would be wise to find out directly from the source.

The dispute is this: I contend that the Caldari are... Finnish. My disputee claims they are more Japanese.

To me, as a Scandinavian player reading, for instance, the map of Caldari space often feels like opening a map of Finland and reading the names. While I don't speak the language, and the names are probably gibberish to Finnish people, I know how the language sounds in my ears, and reading names like Juunigashi, Hakonen, Uedama, etc my ears tune into Finnish.

So, dear Eve Fiction section, is my friend right that the Caldari are mainly Japanese-Russo inspired, or is there actually a strong Finnish element to the Caldari? Like the Gallente are French, and the Amarrians are Persian-Romans?

Both Finnish and Japanese have long been cited as influences for the Caldari in lore discussions.

Well, true, but cultural origin isn't unimportant, or the Gallente wouldn't be as Francophone as they are.

Thanks all. Looks like we can continue to argue with each other.

Maybe the language is a simplified version of finnish with many european and asiatic influences. It would be dependent on the mixture of colonists inhabiting the planet.
It sure seems altaic-uralic mix, together with Achura.

I think they meant this as a description of their culture, not their actual heritage, though.

Finnish?


Could be...

I have genuinely never heard of this before. Do you have any lore evidence for this? The Gallente are descended from the french, yes, but where did you get the rest of that assumption? o.O

Yes. Scholars and Antropologist of the EVE lore have had a lot of diatribes about this and the results are very clear, but we always turn over and over the same problems, that guide us to the same conclusions and silogisms.

It is clear that when the Human Kind is able to reach far spots in the Galaxy minor cultures would have been absorbed and assmilated by the 3 big Cultural and Strategics Blocks that actually exists in the Earth today. The most outstanding Block is the West and their idea of unlimited progress and technological obssession and the advancement in social and cultural wealth and their focus on Science and a very advanced Space programs. It includes the USA, EU, Australia, New Zealand and their allies. In some moment the critical situation in the Russian Federation will make it come into the West Block as they can't go forward. Second Block is Russia and China, but they are formally still at war and Chinese are not improving very well in the long-run and their Space Program is non-existant even when they launched a rocket that was their highest demonstration of "Technology" but for example the EU uses much more advanced Rockets to just simply put the TV Corporations and Mobile companies everyday. So that, we have found that the Chinese remained in Earth. The third block is the 3rd world and is irrelevant as the Radical Religious Leaders are destroying the litlle capacity that remained for them to jump for example to a Reinassene kind of society as we had in the XVII Century, but they remain in their mix of a very dark Middle Age and a Neolithic main culture and style of life.

So back to the topic: Yes, it seems that at some point Caldari were formed in reality by a Big part of the USA and the EU, and they use a simplified Finnish as a neutral language to baptize their systems and even they use this culture to form Surnames and lore. It indicates that New Eden had heavy conflicts in the past with old cultures from the Earth trying to keep their heritage but at some point they dealt it out adopting a neutral language and a non-factor country(In Military Big terms,. as a country Finland is rich, clever, peaceful and highly developed today) to tie the Caldari State to a neutral basis to start from the scratch after heavy neo-feudal wars which took place in former centuries. As a Prussian reader (Sorry, my country was nuked by Russia after WW2 and it does not exist anymore, some Prussian reaching the Stars?, we are scattered all over the world and being asimilated by our new national identities, but as a kind, we inherit some cultural traits as Military formation since children and understanding of what our nation was.... it was nuked in 1945 and we all were massacred or migrating.... but as we remain Prussian in our hearts, well, it's very improbable that Prussians reach anything in the future as we are only Prussians in our souls but legally and nationally does not exist but as a background culture, and in Germany they still are relieved that we were nuked and their - really good and impressive - jokes about the Prussians are present and I laugh as the joke resembles the reality much more than they think. So NO Prussians in space!

Caldari is mainly a North American/Japanese/Atlantic Europe side Nation, as it is a real Block in Earth today and behave the same way it does in New Eden we think we are right with our including philosophy, and not excluding.

Amarrians are Roman? What the hell is that? Roman Empire ceased to exist in the Ancient Age, before the most dark Middle Age, maybe what you mean is that the heirs of the Roman Catholic Imperialistic thinking have created a new one Empire in New Eden: Right. In short time the Hispanic Block included in the Western Block will be rich and so vast that is impossible to think that in some centuries in the future they will land wherever the Western culture lands and form their own block as they have the men, the money and the resources to do it, so that, as History teach us, if they can. they will do it. So the Amarrians are a Spanish Block(Not including the Kingdom of Spain, which belongs to the NATO and its an average european country of the Atlantic side, so is, the seed of the Caldari) that developes together with a highly cultivated Elite that brings the Hebrew, the Greek and the Persian language with them to form an Ultimate Empire which legitimates itself from the earlier civilizations of the world and act as the Head of Mankind as they are one and undivided. They speak One Language, the Ladino(Jewish-Spanish), the international Spanish and take with them the feeling of being a Nation under God. They know so well their own culture that targets that Ancient Persia was the initial point of all the Neo-Christian ideas and its ancient background so that they include a Persian system that allows them to be the Empire of Empires, and the Rulers of the Rulers and the Definite Overlords. Of course, if you don't think we are right in our assumptions to read Robert A. Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" would help to have the right scope on the Amarrian question. I could quote much more resources, as Philosoper Jürgen Habermas works on Religion and Cultures and is the head of the Hermeneutic School at its highest developemet or Economist Stiglitz(Nobel Prize) to defend this "more-than-a-theory" about the Amarrian Empire.

So as we all know intuitively that Minmatar are Scandinavians that not succeed.

Not with Attila, it is in Finland probably for 4000 years already. And the homeland of Uralic language family, not "Hune", is Kama river watershed. Hungarian also have roots there. Before Russians came in with expanding their empire, Uralic languages were common in the east-north regions of Europe, and spanned regions located near the Ural mountains on the Asian side.

Thanks, Sir. I don't have many information about them, which in real life are a clever and intelligent, kind people ~ as I deal with them often for musical matters ~ as Finland produces very good bands.

Fine to know more about them. Well, the Hungarians themselves say they came with Atila and they consider themselves the descendants of the Hunes; are we maybe in front of a national foundation myth?