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I want to use the Proteus!
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Dr Jan Itor
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-12-16 05:36:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Dr Jan Itor
...but just I can't justify it. You see, I can also fly the Tengu, and when I try to make a Prot fit for PvE(C3 soloing), it falls short every time.

I can cram a bit more DPS out of it, but only realistically applicable on a fraction of the Tengu's range, with relatively underwhelming DPS potential. I can fit a mean tank, but I need to throw double the ISK at it to get a tank comparable to a fairly cheap Tengu 3 slot tank. I've looked into some pretty specialized PVP fits too, but even then it hardly seems worth it.


I know the Tengu is arguably the most versatile and best T3 atm, but really? I'd like to note that I am not overly concerned with stats and all that, but the Proteus just feels so "meh". Am I doing something terribly wrong, do I suck at EVE(probably), or what? Do all T3s except from the Tengu need a buff?

Is it at all possible to fit a Proteus for <2b that can be compared to the good ol' Tengu for PvE?


(I am not including what I have so far, because if I look at my own Prot fits one more time today, I will have to go cry into my pillow. Assume all skills lvl5)
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#2 - 2011-12-16 05:42:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Dr Jan Itor wrote:
Is it at all possible to fit a Proteus for <2b that can be compared to the good ol' Tengu for PvE?

Simple answer, no. Medium gunned ships, especially hybrids, typically have range or dps...not both. You need both for pve.

thhief ghabmoef
Kuhn Arashi
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-12-16 06:01:03 UTC
With the DPS buffs of hybrids, you might be able to get some decent numbers with NULL M now. I havent looked into yet for protus though.
The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
#4 - 2011-12-16 08:26:48 UTC
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
Dr Jan Itor wrote:
Is it at all possible to fit a Proteus for <2b that can be compared to the good ol' Tengu for PvE?

Simple answer, no. Medium gunned ships, especially hybrids, typically have range or dps...not both. You need both for pve.


Actually my legion is not to bad having 50km optimal with puls. Cool

In general, blasters are bad for pve, by the lack of range. Rails by the lack of dps, the last "buff" didn't change this.

Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread
Iron Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-12-16 13:22:48 UTC
If you are looking for a t3 to solo c3, aim for the legion. Very good optimal, 700+ tank, 400-600 dps, and melts frigs with 800 alpha , something missiles dont do.
RaVeN Revenge
RaVeN Alliance
#6 - 2011-12-19 19:19:46 UTC
I run a Proteus for ratting/plexing a lot. I also have a Tengu toon and the Tengu IS the best. Proteus fit dose have a drone bay, and that has saved me more than once, but the Tengu uses capless weapons with range. I feel it tanks better too. I have never tried to omni tank my proteus, but it dose very well when tanked *rat specific*. It generally takes about 4 more vollies to kill the same rat as the Tengu can kill.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#7 - 2011-12-19 19:27:18 UTC
You aren't going to find a Proteus fit that can competitively PVE with a Tengu. It just isn't going to happen. The question to me is whether they should boost ALL OTHER T3s or whether they should nerf the Tengu. I'm down for either one - I can fly all the T3s and own 3-4 Tengus.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
SpaceSquirrels
#8 - 2011-12-19 19:35:43 UTC
Hmm 60 KM point is pretty bad ass. Me thinks a prot is an awesome support ship to have in small gang. Just apply point and rail damage as support way out yonder.

Also a cloaky gang of prots and lokis for ambushing is pretty mean. But some ships just aren't made for solo work.
To mare
Advanced Technology
#9 - 2011-12-19 21:24:09 UTC
The Djego wrote:
. Rails by the lack of dps, the last "buff" didn't change this.


have you ever tried to compare a arty boat to a rail boat for pve?
The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
#10 - 2011-12-20 04:44:27 UTC
To mare wrote:
The Djego wrote:
. Rails by the lack of dps, the last "buff" didn't change this.


have you ever tried to compare a arty boat to a rail boat for pve?


Yes I did, actually I did this a lot over the years. Funny fact, I even managed to be in a Maelstrom just as fast as in a Kronos on L4 before the projectile buff 2 years ago and always was wondering why people did so bad with them.

Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-12-20 06:56:55 UTC
I have a proteus that can tank C3's, and does 700 dps w/ drones (605 without)

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#12 - 2011-12-20 07:12:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Alexa Coates wrote:
I have a proteus that can tank C3's, and does 700 dps w/ drones (605 without)


Something along this line (5% hardwirings)?


[Proteus, C3 Proteus]
Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors


Hammerhead II x5


-Liang

Ed: If you run with Legion gang bonuses this becomes something of a workable fit.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-12-20 17:58:44 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:
I have a proteus that can tank C3's, and does 700 dps w/ drones (605 without)


Something along this line (5% hardwirings)?


[Proteus, C3 Proteus]
Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors


Hammerhead II x5


-Liang

Ed: If you run with Legion gang bonuses this becomes something of a workable fit.

ew what the hell? Rails?
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad113/Byodood/prot.png best possible pve proteus.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#14 - 2011-12-20 18:01:55 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:

ew what the hell? Rails?
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad113/Byodood/prot.png best possible pve proteus.


You're out of your ******* mind there m8. Sleepers in a C3 start 60-100km away.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-12-20 18:05:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexa Coates
Liang Nuren wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:

ew what the hell? Rails?
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad113/Byodood/prot.png best possible pve proteus.


You're out of your ******* mind there m8. Sleepers in a C3 start 60-100km away.

-Liang

250mm rails is like rolling down the window and spitting on them.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#16 - 2011-12-20 18:09:00 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:

ew what the hell? Rails?
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad113/Byodood/prot.png best possible pve proteus.


You're out of your ******* mind there m8. Sleepers in a C3 start 60-100km away.

-Liang

250mm rails is like rolling down the window and spitting on them.


Ok, whatever. I found that AC and Blaster and even Pulse fits to an extent were largely a waste of time - but hey go ahead and do whatever the **** floats your boat. I'm about done arguing with stupid people on internet forumz.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-12-20 20:04:02 UTC
It seems your butthurt is leaking. Need a rag?

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Goose99
#18 - 2011-12-20 20:36:20 UTC
Eww, pve rail proteus. Don't use it, it fails, seriously.Roll

Proteus is for cloaky gank. It's the one cloaky among t3s, or anything else, that actually has gank. Be on top of your target, gank it, and be away before his friends arrive.
tib0
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-12-21 11:45:42 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:

ew what the hell? Rails?
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad113/Byodood/prot.png best possible pve proteus.


You're out of your ******* mind there m8. Sleepers in a C3 start 60-100km away.

-Liang


this is correct...some sleeper BS will web and neut you in same time while orbiting you at 40km. also keep in mind that with blasters, you must have repairer and mwd running all the time, which is cap intensive as well.

but feel free to test it and let us know :)
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#20 - 2011-12-21 15:41:38 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
You aren't going to find a Proteus fit that can competitively PVE with a Tengu. It just isn't going to happen. The question to me is whether they should boost ALL OTHER T3s or whether they should nerf the Tengu. I'm down for either one - I can fly all the T3s and own 3-4 Tengus.

-Liang


Rather than rebalance 3/4 of the ships around PvE, it makes much more sense to rebalance NPCs so that they're not so easily killed with one weapon type.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
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